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Anonymous wrote:Last year had UVA (49), W&M (26), VA Tech (7), VCU (10), GMU (10).
I think the middle of the road kids get shut out at UVA and VA Tech and go to OOS schools - Purdue, UIUC, Michigan etc

So you are saying VT only had 7 because they largely didn't admit TJ students?

This is a big change from a generation ago. I'm a late-90s TJ grad and my memory is that about 100 people went to UVA, a quarter of the class. Another huge chunk went to VT too. I wonder when the UVa numbers dropped?

2012 was UVA 105, W&M 55, VT 25. 2022 was UVA 49, W&M 26, VT 7. So -53%, -53%, and -72% respectively over 10 years.

The corrupt old admission system and really caused a drop in the quality of students over that decade.

This isn't QUITE true but there's a shred of truth in it.

What did happen is that, as time went by and as the old admissions process was studied further and further by test-prep companies like Curie, Kate Dalby, OptimalTJPrep, and others, those entities were able to offer parents the ability to hack the process for a fee. Pay thousands of dollars to these companies and they will give you the tools to make your relatively workaday student appear to be a STEM superstar through test prep, essay work, and knowing the right activities to place your child in.

As a consequence, you saw a homogenization of the TJ population to the point where a greater and greater number of students were more and more similar in their academic profiles. Elite universities only need but a certain number of that type of student every year, and so the TJ population essentially was engaged in a rat-race where everyone was competing with each other for an increasingly limited number of spaces when other spaces were easily available.

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Anonymous wrote:Last year had UVA (49), W&M (26), VA Tech (7), VCU (10), GMU (10).
I think the middle of the road kids get shut out at UVA and VA Tech and go to OOS schools - Purdue, UIUC, Michigan etc

So you are saying VT only had 7 because they largely didn't admit TJ students?

This is a big change from a generation ago. I'm a late-90s TJ grad and my memory is that about 100 people went to UVA, a quarter of the class. Another huge chunk went to VT too. I wonder when the UVa numbers dropped?

2012 was UVA 105, W&M 55, VT 25. 2022 was UVA 49, W&M 26, VT 7. So -53%, -53%, and -72% respectively over 10 years.

The corrupt old admission system and really caused a drop in the quality of students over that decade.

Give it a rest and do some house work.

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Anonymous wrote:Last year had UVA (49), W&M (26), VA Tech (7), VCU (10), GMU (10).
I think the middle of the road kids get shut out at UVA and VA Tech and go to OOS schools - Purdue, UIUC, Michigan etc

So you are saying VT only had 7 because they largely didn't admit TJ students?

This is a big change from a generation ago. I'm a late-90s TJ grad and my memory is that about 100 people went to UVA, a quarter of the class. Another huge chunk went to VT too. I wonder when the UVa numbers dropped?

2012 was UVA 105, W&M 55, VT 25. 2022 was UVA 49, W&M 26, VT 7. So -53%, -53%, and -72% respectively over 10 years.

The corrupt old admission system and really caused a drop in the quality of students over that decade.

Anonymous wrote:Someone who had a kid at TJ (albeit not currently)..top 20% getting UVA may be a little bit of a stretch, VT is always a crapshoot for some reason at TJ (mine got into UVA, a T20, and OOS schools that were better than VT, but was waitlisted at VT. Although for non-Eng kids and those who ED, they seem to have better luck with VT

W&M is a common option (very underrated in my opinion) that attracts TJ kids near the 50% mark..very forgiving for GPA (I know kids who had C's who applied as STEM majors and got in). W&M ED is also very accepting towards TJ kids

Other than that, there are a decent number of OOS flagships (Purdue, Texas A&M, UMD, Pitt, Penn State) that attract TJ kids. A decent number of kids in this category also go to UCs (with the exception of Cal and UCLA).

RPI and WPI are also good options. They tend to give a lot of money and are solid schools.

Even though they may be shut out of the top 20, there are still very good options for them.

Not true at all. Most TJ top 20% got into UVA with no problem. In that sense, UVA is still a safety to them but not as attractive as some other top colleges.

Someone who had a kid at TJ (albeit not currently)..top 20% getting UVA may be a little bit of a stretch, VT is always a crapshoot for some reason at TJ (mine got into UVA, a T20, and OOS schools that were better than VT, but was waitlisted at VT. Although for non-Eng kids and those who ED, they seem to have better luck with VT

W&M is a common option (very underrated in my opinion) that attracts TJ kids near the 50% mark..very forgiving for GPA (I know kids who had C's who applied as STEM majors and got in). W&M ED is also very accepting towards TJ kids

Other than that, there are a decent number of OOS flagships (Purdue, Texas A&M, UMD, Pitt, Penn State) that attract TJ kids. A decent number of kids in this category also go to UCs (with the exception of Cal and UCLA).

RPI and WPI are also good options. They tend to give a lot of money and are solid schools.

Even though they may be shut out of the top 20, there are still very good options for them.

Making this up just for fun:

2 Radford
1 Longwood
1 Mary Wash
1 Elon
1 South Carolina
2 Clemson

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how Ga. Tech is perceived by TJ students? Same tier as Michigan, CMU, UIUC, etc?

Same tier as UIUC, but a tier lower than Michigan and CMU.

https://issuu.com/tjtoday/docs/senior_issue_2022_combined
pp. 18-19
Only about 75% reported. So the actual numbers are higher.

Anonymous wrote:Let's see. For class of 2022 destinations:
HYPSM: 30-35 (7-8%)
Caltech + rest of ivies: 25-30 (6-7%)
UChicago, NW, UCB, Duke, JHU: 25-30 (6-7%)
Those are approximately the top 20%.

The next tier went to CMU (10-15), UMich (10-15), UVA (~50), NYU (~10), etc.

How did you get this data?

Does anyone know how Ga. Tech is perceived by TJ students? Same tier as Michigan, CMU, UIUC, etc?

Let's see. For class of 2022 destinations:
HYPSM: 30-35 (7-8%)
Caltech + rest of ivies: 25-30 (6-7%)
UChicago, NW, UCB, Duke, JHU: 25-30 (6-7%)
Those are approximately the top 20%.

The next tier went to CMU (10-15), UMich (10-15), UVA (~50), NYU (~10), etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Last year had UVA (49), W&M (26), VA Tech (7), VCU (10), GMU (10).
I think the middle of the road kids get shut out at UVA and VA Tech and go to OOS schools - Purdue, UIUC, Michigan etc

So you are saying VT only had 7 because they largely didn't admit TJ students?

This is a big change from a generation ago. I'm a late-90s TJ grad and my memory is that about 100 people went to UVA, a quarter of the class. Another huge chunk went to VT too. I wonder when the UVa numbers dropped?

2012 was UVA 105, W&M 55, VT 25. 2022 was UVA 49, W&M 26, VT 7. So -53%, -53%, and -72% respectively over 10 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Last year had UVA (49), W&M (26), VA Tech (7), VCU (10), GMU (10).
I think the middle of the road kids get shut out at UVA and VA Tech and go to OOS schools - Purdue, UIUC, Michigan etc

So you are saying VT only had 7 because they largely didn't admit TJ students?

This is a big change from a generation ago. I'm a late-90s TJ grad and my memory is that about 100 people went to UVA, a quarter of the class. Another huge chunk went to VT too. I wonder when the UVa numbers dropped?

Anonymous wrote:Last year had UVA (49), W&M (26), VA Tech (7), VCU (10), GMU (10).
I think the middle of the road kids get shut out at UVA and VA Tech and go to OOS schools - Purdue, UIUC, Michigan etc

UUIC and Michigan are typically much higher rated for STEM than any VA school.

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Anonymous wrote:The usual UVA, JMU, GMU, VT

Not UVA outside of the top 20%. Maybe VT for non-engineering

Definitely not a TJ person who posted the above. Barely anyone from TJ gets in to Tech. It’s mysterious.

This is 100% false. Virginia Tech is the most declined offer at TJ. Meaning, when compared to every other college that TJ students apply to, the largest number are admitted and choose not to go to VT.