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Anonymous wrote:Look to China's one kid policy as an example of how a society grows. When you millenials and gen-x get close to retirement age you maybe thinking differently towards the father of 9...

The U.S. is not a hospitable place to raise children. You give birth in a “baby-friendly” hospital (read: you’re expected to care for an infant yourself after you just gave birth) then your slapped with a hospital bill, get 6 weeks if you are lucky of maternity leave, pay $2000/month for daycare, pay for a $700k house for the 60s in a barely-adequate school district and $100,000 to send your kid to a basic instate public university.

This. I’m a UMC working woman. We stopped at two kids, despit wanting 3. Daycare, plus childcare, plus summer care, plus college savings were straining our budget. I only would have gotten six weeks of maternity leave. DH would have gotten none. And we had hit our workplaces tolerance max for absences due to sick kids, school holidays, etc. we didn’t have time time or money to do right by a third child. And, we phased out of some of the tax breaks.

If you want UMC white kids, don’t phase out college tax credits by income, make 529s and tuition payments full deductible at the federal level, and make childcare fully deductible. Right now, it’s less than $3000- so basically 10% of the cost for two young kids.

Honest question — how do mormons do it?

They all seem to have nice houses in Utah, Idaho, Arizona.

Large families, educated, nice homes

They don’t seem poor or downwardly mobile

What’s their secret?

You’re only seeing the Mormons that successfully stayed Mormon. Abiding Mormons are expected to follow strict rules.

And additionally, if you’re in the DC area or traveling & see a Mormon family of 6 at the airport—you’re seeing the Mormons who “made it out” so to speak. Their husbands got big corporate jobs & moved out of Provo. Most Mormon families with 6 kids work for Mormon-owned businesses & can’t afford to travel with all of them. You don’t see the ones that stayed in the Mormon bubble; they don’t interact with non-Mormons much.

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Anonymous wrote:Look to China's one kid policy as an example of how a society grows. When you millenials and gen-x get close to retirement age you maybe thinking differently towards the father of 9...

The U.S. is not a hospitable place to raise children. You give birth in a “baby-friendly” hospital (read: you’re expected to care for an infant yourself after you just gave birth) then your slapped with a hospital bill, get 6 weeks if you are lucky of maternity leave, pay $2000/month for daycare, pay for a $700k house for the 60s in a barely-adequate school district and $100,000 to send your kid to a basic instate public university.

This. I’m a UMC working woman. We stopped at two kids, despit wanting 3. Daycare, plus childcare, plus summer care, plus college savings were straining our budget. I only would have gotten six weeks of maternity leave. DH would have gotten none. And we had hit our workplaces tolerance max for absences due to sick kids, school holidays, etc. we didn’t have time time or money to do right by a third child. And, we phased out of some of the tax breaks.

If you want UMC white kids, don’t phase out college tax credits by income, make 529s and tuition payments full deductible at the federal level, and make childcare fully deductible. Right now, it’s less than $3000- so basically 10% of the cost for two young kids.

Honest question — how do mormons do it?

They all seem to have nice houses in Utah, Idaho, Arizona.

Large families, educated, nice homes

They don’t seem poor or downwardly mobile

What’s their secret?

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Anonymous wrote:Look to China's one kid policy as an example of how a society grows. When you millenials and gen-x get close to retirement age you maybe thinking differently towards the father of 9...

The U.S. is not a hospitable place to raise children. You give birth in a “baby-friendly” hospital (read: you’re expected to care for an infant yourself after you just gave birth) then your slapped with a hospital bill, get 6 weeks if you are lucky of maternity leave, pay $2000/month for daycare, pay for a $700k house for the 60s in a barely-adequate school district and $100,000 to send your kid to a basic instate public university.

This. I’m a UMC working woman. We stopped at two kids, despit wanting 3. Daycare, plus childcare, plus summer care, plus college savings were straining our budget. I only would have gotten six weeks of maternity leave. DH would have gotten none. And we had hit our workplaces tolerance max for absences due to sick kids, school holidays, etc. we didn’t have time time or money to do right by a third child. And, we phased out of some of the tax breaks.

If you want UMC white kids, don’t phase out college tax credits by income, make 529s and tuition payments full deductible at the federal level, and make childcare fully deductible. Right now, it’s less than $3000- so basically 10% of the cost for two young kids.

Honest question — how do mormons do it?

They all seem to have nice houses in Utah, Idaho, Arizona.

Large families, educated, nice homes

They don’t seem poor or downwardly mobile

What’s their secret?

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Anonymous wrote:Look to China's one kid policy as an example of how a society grows. When you millenials and gen-x get close to retirement age you maybe thinking differently towards the father of 9...

The U.S. is not a hospitable place to raise children. You give birth in a “baby-friendly” hospital (read: you’re expected to care for an infant yourself after you just gave birth) then your slapped with a hospital bill, get 6 weeks if you are lucky of maternity leave, pay $2000/month for daycare, pay for a $700k house for the 60s in a barely-adequate school district and $100,000 to send your kid to a basic instate public university.

This. I’m a UMC working woman. We stopped at two kids, despit wanting 3. Daycare, plus childcare, plus summer care, plus college savings were straining our budget. I only would have gotten six weeks of maternity leave. DH would have gotten none. And we had hit our workplaces tolerance max for absences due to sick kids, school holidays, etc. we didn’t have time time or money to do right by a third child. And, we phased out of some of the tax breaks.

If you want UMC white kids, don’t phase out college tax credits by income, make 529s and tuition payments full deductible at the federal level, and make childcare fully deductible. Right now, it’s less than $3000- so basically 10% of the cost for two young kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Look to China's one kid policy as an example of how a society grows. When you millenials and gen-x get close to retirement age you maybe thinking differently towards the father of 9...

The U.S. is not a hospitable place to raise children. You give birth in a “baby-friendly” hospital (read: you’re expected to care for an infant yourself after you just gave birth) then your slapped with a hospital bill, get 6 weeks if you are lucky of maternity leave, pay $2000/month for daycare, pay for a $700k house for the 60s in a barely-adequate school district and $100,000 to send your kid to a basic instate public university.

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Anonymous wrote:40% of AA population have been aborted since Roe v Wad...

The US population is slowly but surely in decline...

Immigration accounts for over 60% of our growth...

Without roe v wade this country would’ve become brazil decades ago

I don’t think you understand how much abortion has helped keep the us as a first world nation

THIS. Crime measurably declined and cities were revitalized because of abortion & birth control. Unwanted children born to young poor parents become violent adults. That’s basically the recipe to becoming a criminal.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:40% of AA population have been aborted since Roe v Wad...

The US population is slowly but surely in decline...

Immigration accounts for over 60% of our growth...

Without roe v wade this country would’ve become brazil decades ago

I don’t think you understand how much abortion has helped keep the us as a first world nation

THIS. Crime measurably declined and cities were revitalized because of abortion & birth control. Unwanted children born to young poor parents become violent adults. That’s basically the recipe to becoming a criminal.

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Anonymous wrote:40% of AA population have been aborted since Roe v Wad...

The US population is slowly but surely in decline...

Immigration accounts for over 60% of our growth...

Without roe v wade this country would’ve become brazil decades ago

I don’t think you understand how much abortion has helped keep the us as a first world nation

Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine if he put his efforts into finding ways to encourage people to have large families? He can send people to Mars, with $182 billion, can he find a way to get us universal free childcare? Make college or trade school affordable? Develop technology to reduce or eliminate drug use or school shootings?

It angers me that he goes on Fox and feeds this terrible trend of facism, fear, and forced birth. Scare old people about the dangers of birth control at a time when birth control is already so endangered.....

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/elon-musk-says-birth-control-could-spell-the-end-of-humanity

Anonymous wrote:40% of AA population have been aborted since Roe v Wad...

The US population is slowly but surely in decline...

Immigration accounts for over 60% of our growth...

Anonymous wrote:40% of AA population have been aborted since Roe v Wad...

The US population is slowly but surely in decline...

Immigration accounts for over 60% of our growth...

Anonymous wrote:The OPs post is nuts.

Are you suggesting we don’t have kids so we don’t have school shootings? Global warming? Etc?

The comment you link was made in 2021. Elon is a free thinker unlike you. Clearly!

I think the drops in reproduction/fertility is/are an alarming trend. Does anyone else agree?

Anonymous wrote:40% of AA population have been aborted since Roe v Wad...

The US population is slowly but surely in decline...

Immigration accounts for over 60% of our growth...