Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes math moved very slowly until about 4th grade and then it picked up pace.
Arrays are stupid and more confusing for smart kids than actual multiplication. Many problems emphasizing how multiplication is repeated addition are confusing too.
Just teach your kid multiplication the old way and don’t make them complete the nonsense in their workbooks if they already know what they are doing.
Move quickly to standard algorithm for all 4 math operations and to fractions, including operations with them, transforming irregular to regular and fractions to decimals and back. Learn place value and why in standard algorithm it is vital to put place values under each other.
Kids don’t get enough time to understand it in 4th grade, so give yours a head start

Do not listen to this advice. Students need to understand arrays in order to pass the tests. And guess what? We've evolved as humans! Some students learn better using arrays...some learn better using repeated addition...and yes, some learn better using good old fashioned multiplication. The point is, not everyone learns the same. Sorry you're stuck in a mentality where you think what you learned is better...great. But don't advise other people when you don't have a clue how it works.

Agree do not do this. Not only will students need to understand these concepts to pass grade level test, understanding the multiple different ways not only helps solve problems different ways but allows kids to THINK about problems differently and ensures concrete understanding of math. These are critical when you get to upper level math.

Everybody thinks their kid is super quick and understands it all until presented with word problems, mixed fractions, and oh Alg II. Then, expensive tutors come out.

Anonymous wrote:Our 1st grader is more mathematically than ELA-inclined and is getting bored with 1st grade math. Based on the Eureka workbook homework, it seems to move very slow! He's been asking to learn multiplication- first of all, I was curious in what grade they start to learn this? Any suggestions for introducing it at home that wouldn't be too contrary with how they will learn at school? TIA.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes math moved very slowly until about 4th grade and then it picked up pace.
Arrays are stupid and more confusing for smart kids than actual multiplication. Many problems emphasizing how multiplication is repeated addition are confusing too.
Just teach your kid multiplication the old way and don’t make them complete the nonsense in their workbooks if they already know what they are doing.
Move quickly to standard algorithm for all 4 math operations and to fractions, including operations with them, transforming irregular to regular and fractions to decimals and back. Learn place value and why in standard algorithm it is vital to put place values under each other.
Kids don’t get enough time to understand it in 4th grade, so give yours a head start

Do not listen to this advice. Students need to understand arrays in order to pass the tests. And guess what? We've evolved as humans! Some students learn better using arrays...some learn better using repeated addition...and yes, some learn better using good old fashioned multiplication. The point is, not everyone learns the same. Sorry you're stuck in a mentality where you think what you learned is better...great. But don't advise other people when you don't have a clue how it works.

Anonymous wrote:Clearly a bunch of non-math people if you think arrays are stupid and useless. Those kids who get into higher level math will definitely benefit from the early exposure to arrays.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes math moved very slowly until about 4th grade and then it picked up pace.
Arrays are stupid and more confusing for smart kids than actual multiplication. Many problems emphasizing how multiplication is repeated addition are confusing too.
Just teach your kid multiplication the old way and don’t make them complete the nonsense in their workbooks if they already know what they are doing.
Move quickly to standard algorithm for all 4 math operations and to fractions, including operations with them, transforming irregular to regular and fractions to decimals and back. Learn place value and why in standard algorithm it is vital to put place values under each other.
Kids don’t get enough time to understand it in 4th grade, so give yours a head start

Do not listen to this advice. Students need to understand arrays in order to pass the tests. And guess what? We've evolved as humans! Some students learn better using arrays...some learn better using repeated addition...and yes, some learn better using good old fashioned multiplication. The point is, not everyone learns the same. Sorry you're stuck in a mentality where you think what you learned is better...great. But don't advise other people when you don't have a clue how it works.

I saw it with my child too. Arrays were just busy work and a nuisance. And who are the tests for?! The school admin. Any teacher knows if a kid knows their stuff. If they can solve a multiplication problem they don’t need to use arrays
I mean my kid did most of his work of course but it’s dumb and though I couldn’t openly agree with him, I do now.
Yes there are kids who need arrays and manipulatives and what not but i bet it’s not OP’s kid

Nope. As a teacher, I need to know my student's are learning what I am teaching them in class. If the curriculum includes arrays, that student needs to learn arrays. The tests are for teachers in order to drive instruction. Just because your kid can multiply tell me they are paying attention or learning during my lessons if they don't know how to do what is asked of them. Additionally, math instruction is much more concept based now. Students are learning WHY math works, not just mindlessly memorizing it. Sorry, if your kid doesn't turn in a quiz or test that shows they know the material given to them in class, they aren't passing my class.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes math moved very slowly until about 4th grade and then it picked up pace.
Arrays are stupid and more confusing for smart kids than actual multiplication. Many problems emphasizing how multiplication is repeated addition are confusing too.
Just teach your kid multiplication the old way and don’t make them complete the nonsense in their workbooks if they already know what they are doing.
Move quickly to standard algorithm for all 4 math operations and to fractions, including operations with them, transforming irregular to regular and fractions to decimals and back. Learn place value and why in standard algorithm it is vital to put place values under each other.
Kids don’t get enough time to understand it in 4th grade, so give yours a head start

Do not listen to this advice. Students need to understand arrays in order to pass the tests. And guess what? We've evolved as humans! Some students learn better using arrays...some learn better using repeated addition...and yes, some learn better using good old fashioned multiplication. The point is, not everyone learns the same. Sorry you're stuck in a mentality where you think what you learned is better...great. But don't advise other people when you don't have a clue how it works.

I saw it with my child too. Arrays were just busy work and a nuisance. And who are the tests for?! The school admin. Any teacher knows if a kid knows their stuff. If they can solve a multiplication problem they don’t need to use arrays
I mean my kid did most of his work of course but it’s dumb and though I couldn’t openly agree with him, I do now.
Yes there are kids who need arrays and manipulatives and what not but i bet it’s not OP’s kid

Arrays help them conceptualize while the multiplication works. MoCo parents are unreal. Complain their kids aren’t learning anything; complain they are learning too much.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes math moved very slowly until about 4th grade and then it picked up pace.
Arrays are stupid and more confusing for smart kids than actual multiplication. Many problems emphasizing how multiplication is repeated addition are confusing too.
Just teach your kid multiplication the old way and don’t make them complete the nonsense in their workbooks if they already know what they are doing.
Move quickly to standard algorithm for all 4 math operations and to fractions, including operations with them, transforming irregular to regular and fractions to decimals and back. Learn place value and why in standard algorithm it is vital to put place values under each other.
Kids don’t get enough time to understand it in 4th grade, so give yours a head start

Do not listen to this advice. Students need to understand arrays in order to pass the tests. And guess what? We've evolved as humans! Some students learn better using arrays...some learn better using repeated addition...and yes, some learn better using good old fashioned multiplication. The point is, not everyone learns the same. Sorry you're stuck in a mentality where you think what you learned is better...great. But don't advise other people when you don't have a clue how it works.

I saw it with my child too. Arrays were just busy work and a nuisance. And who are the tests for?! The school admin. Any teacher knows if a kid knows their stuff. If they can solve a multiplication problem they don’t need to use arrays
I mean my kid did most of his work of course but it’s dumb and though I couldn’t openly agree with him, I do now.
Yes there are kids who need arrays and manipulatives and what not but i bet it’s not OP’s kid

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes math moved very slowly until about 4th grade and then it picked up pace.
Arrays are stupid and more confusing for smart kids than actual multiplication. Many problems emphasizing how multiplication is repeated addition are confusing too.
Just teach your kid multiplication the old way and don’t make them complete the nonsense in their workbooks if they already know what they are doing.
Move quickly to standard algorithm for all 4 math operations and to fractions, including operations with them, transforming irregular to regular and fractions to decimals and back. Learn place value and why in standard algorithm it is vital to put place values under each other.
Kids don’t get enough time to understand it in 4th grade, so give yours a head start

Do not listen to this advice. Students need to understand arrays in order to pass the tests. And guess what? We've evolved as humans! Some students learn better using arrays...some learn better using repeated addition...and yes, some learn better using good old fashioned multiplication. The point is, not everyone learns the same. Sorry you're stuck in a mentality where you think what you learned is better...great. But don't advise other people when you don't have a clue how it works.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes math moved very slowly until about 4th grade and then it picked up pace.
Arrays are stupid and more confusing for smart kids than actual multiplication. Many problems emphasizing how multiplication is repeated addition are confusing too.
Just teach your kid multiplication the old way and don’t make them complete the nonsense in their workbooks if they already know what they are doing.
Move quickly to standard algorithm for all 4 math operations and to fractions, including operations with them, transforming irregular to regular and fractions to decimals and back. Learn place value and why in standard algorithm it is vital to put place values under each other.
Kids don’t get enough time to understand it in 4th grade, so give yours a head start

Do not listen to this advice. Students need to understand arrays in order to pass the tests. And guess what? We've evolved as humans! Some students learn better using arrays...some learn better using repeated addition...and yes, some learn better using good old fashioned multiplication. The point is, not everyone learns the same. Sorry you're stuck in a mentality where you think what you learned is better...great. But don't advise other people when you don't have a clue how it works.

I saw it with my child too. Arrays were just busy work and a nuisance. And who are the tests for?! The school admin. Any teacher knows if a kid knows their stuff. If they can solve a multiplication problem they don’t need to use arrays
I mean my kid did most of his work of course but it’s dumb and though I couldn’t openly agree with him, I do now.
Yes there are kids who need arrays and manipulatives and what not but i bet it’s not OP’s kid

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes math moved very slowly until about 4th grade and then it picked up pace.
Arrays are stupid and more confusing for smart kids than actual multiplication. Many problems emphasizing how multiplication is repeated addition are confusing too.
Just teach your kid multiplication the old way and don’t make them complete the nonsense in their workbooks if they already know what they are doing.
Move quickly to standard algorithm for all 4 math operations and to fractions, including operations with them, transforming irregular to regular and fractions to decimals and back. Learn place value and why in standard algorithm it is vital to put place values under each other.
Kids don’t get enough time to understand it in 4th grade, so give yours a head start

Do not listen to this advice. Students need to understand arrays in order to pass the tests. And guess what? We've evolved as humans! Some students learn better using arrays...some learn better using repeated addition...and yes, some learn better using good old fashioned multiplication. The point is, not everyone learns the same. Sorry you're stuck in a mentality where you think what you learned is better...great. But don't advise other people when you don't have a clue how it works.

Anonymous wrote:Yes math moved very slowly until about 4th grade and then it picked up pace.
Arrays are stupid and more confusing for smart kids than actual multiplication. Many problems emphasizing how multiplication is repeated addition are confusing too.
Just teach your kid multiplication the old way and don’t make them complete the nonsense in their workbooks if they already know what they are doing.
Move quickly to standard algorithm for all 4 math operations and to fractions, including operations with them, transforming irregular to regular and fractions to decimals and back. Learn place value and why in standard algorithm it is vital to put place values under each other.
Kids don’t get enough time to understand it in 4th grade, so give yours a head start