Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 19:21     Subject: Another pitbull attack and death.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does every attack need a thread?



+1. So sick of it

Internationally there have been ten human deaths by pit bulls in ten days. Ten.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 18:55     Subject: Re:Another pitbull attack and death.
Yes. Every attack needs a thread! I wish the whole forum would be all pit stories for one day so people couldn’t look the other way. Socializing with pit owners has to be like letting your kid carpool in a car with no seatbelts. Would have been fine 40 years ago but not now. The way to get there is education.

PP, the open carry analogy is interesting and helpful.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 18:30     Subject: Re:Another pitbull attack and death.
Just sat next to a totally unhinged one in an ill fitting harness they could easily slip out of that made multiple attempts to attack other dogs walking by and people (cornered the waitress). Higher end restaurant in DC. I know a lot about dogs; this one would maul and was looking to do so.

Obviously crap owners bringing a lunging dog onto a patio. The owners are all, "it's how you raise them!" But the owners by and large suck. Dog should have been properly restrained and muzzled. I'd respect that. We left.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 18:17     Subject: Another pitbull attack and death.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does every attack need a thread?



+1. So sick of it


Why?
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 16:38     Subject: Another pitbull attack and death.
Anonymous wrote:Does every attack need a thread?



+1. So sick of it
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 16:33     Subject: Re:Another pitbull attack and death.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Owning 4 pit bulls is so dangerous. It’s absolutely astonishing that anyone would agree to care for someone else’s 4 pit bulls. This poor victim; what a horrific and unnecessary way to die.

I agree with you and the OP, and before anyone jumps down my throat, I am a dog lover and have had lovely experiences with pitbulls. But some dogs actually need experienced and responsible owners, some breeds should NOT be easily bred or sold because of the high risk involved. These dogs should be restricted to police work, military use, and any other work related to guarding. If you want such a dog for a family pet, then you should be required to get a license, and you should be held severely accountable for any harm that the dog causes. Like, going to jail levels of accountability.

When I was a teen, my Jack Russell Terrier was attacked by the neighbor's German Shepherd and almost died. Dogs are not toys, they are animals with teeth. We bore no ill will to the neighbor's German Shepherd, but my parents took on the neighbors for walking their dog without a leash and not training the dog properly.


They are not bred for this or suited to it. They are part of the Terrier Group of dogs. (https://www.thesprucepets.com/pitbull-dog-breeds-4843994) Pitbull is not actualy a breed, but several different ones.

Working Breeds are used for the underlined, notably GSDs, Malinois, Rottweilers, Dobermans.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 16:29     Subject: Re:Another pitbull attack and death.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Owning 4 pit bulls is so dangerous. It’s absolutely astonishing that anyone would agree to care for someone else’s 4 pit bulls. This poor victim; what a horrific and unnecessary way to die.

I agree with you and the OP, and before anyone jumps down my throat, I am a dog lover and have had lovely experiences with pitbulls. But some dogs actually need experienced and responsible owners, some breeds should NOT be easily bred or sold because of the high risk involved. These dogs should be restricted to police work, military use, and any other work related to guarding. If you want such a dog for a family pet, then you should be required to get a license, and you should be held severely accountable for any harm that the dog causes. Like, going to jail levels of accountability.

I agree with everything you said, but just wanted to point out that the police and military and people looking for true guard dogs don't want them because they're absolute shit at performing an actual job. They don't have the intelligence, discernment, focus, or loyalty required.



They have never been used for any of this. I own a Rottweiler--that's a working breed that is actually used for the above. My trainer is a retired military (and then police) K-9 officer. He really dislikes pitbulls in spite of obviously having a huge fondness for years of working with other large breeds like GSDs and Rotties.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 16:25     Subject: Re:Another pitbull attack and death.
Anonymous wrote:I think it is very important to make some distinctions about pit bull owners in this discussion. My knowledge comes from having prosecuted dangerous dog cases in the past and having educated myself extensively on the issue of dog attacks etc.

Yes, some of the people who own pit bull/bully breed dogs are nasty trashy violent people who specifically wanted a dog that would scare people and maybe even attack them and of course many want them to fight other dogs etc.

But I would venture a guess that the majority of pit bull/bully breed owners are folks who have rescued them after buying into the pro pit propaganda of the last decade or more which misinforms people about the trustworthiness of the breed so they are bringing them home to their kids and don’t grasp that they have opened the window to a potentially disfiguring or fatal dog attack becoming an experience their family endures.

I understand dog breeding far better than most people, so I know that the traits bred into these dogs don’t go away just because we have decided they should be couch potato snuggling pals instead of dogs that are so tenacious and impervious to pain they used to attack full grown bulls and hold on until death. Those instincts are still there. The ability to break into violent attack without warning, unique to a very small subset of dog breeds, does not go away. That is why if you bother to read the horrific actual accounts of attacks you will hear over and over how loving responsible dog owners were horribly shocked the day their sweet and loving bully breed family pet ‘went beserk’ and ate the kids faces off - or grandma’s. These people are really well meaning, I truly believe it.

I’m sure some of them are well meaning, but that doesn’t change the outcome for the dead or mauled. And how many maulings have to happen before “well meaning” becomes “willfully blind”?
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 16:24     Subject: Another pitbull attack and death.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's actually something narcissistic in the way pitbull owners get self-righteous about the restrictions and "prejudices" placed on the breed. They never seem to acknowledge that the deaths are devastating and scar the victims' families for lives. Oh no, let's gather together and rant about how mean and uninformed society is. Plus our pitties are sooooo sweet and look at my girl's goober eyes!

Yeah, I dare you to talk like that in front of a grieving mother whose child was torn to shreds by badly raised dogs.



I look upon pit bull owners the same way I look upon open carry people. It's pathetic. Both are using some external object to intimidate others. Pit Bulls are 2 percent of the American dog population but commit more than 70 percent of all attacks on humans. It's an incredibly dangerous breed. It should be outlawed like it is in many countries. If you own a pit bull, you are a horrible human being. Trashy. The kind of person that enjoys scaring people. Genuinely bad person

That comparison never occurred to me, but I agree it's very close to the truth. I don't think ALL pitbull owners are bad people or trashy, I know some nice people with some nice pitbulls, but the majority them are basically unwilling to take any responsibility for their trained-killer dogs. And they do have issues, maybe from childhood, around aggression and feelings of powerlessness, which might be why they want an aggressive dog.

They are indeed like the gun nuts, more than I initially thought.

They’re not “trained killers,” they were bred to kill. Different thing entirely. “Trained killers” allows pit bull owners to jump at people and claim “bad owners” when really all pit bulls descend from dogs bred for fighting and it continues to this day, so we’re not talking about some distant and irrelevant trait like a newborn clutching their little fists to better hold onto mom’s fur.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 01:47     Subject: Re:Another pitbull attack and death.
I think it is very important to make some distinctions about pit bull owners in this discussion. My knowledge comes from having prosecuted dangerous dog cases in the past and having educated myself extensively on the issue of dog attacks etc.

Yes, some of the people who own pit bull/bully breed dogs are nasty trashy violent people who specifically wanted a dog that would scare people and maybe even attack them and of course many want them to fight other dogs etc.

But I would venture a guess that the majority of pit bull/bully breed owners are folks who have rescued them after buying into the pro pit propaganda of the last decade or more which misinforms people about the trustworthiness of the breed so they are bringing them home to their kids and don’t grasp that they have opened the window to a potentially disfiguring or fatal dog attack becoming an experience their family endures.

I understand dog breeding far better than most people, so I know that the traits bred into these dogs don’t go away just because we have decided they should be couch potato snuggling pals instead of dogs that are so tenacious and impervious to pain they used to attack full grown bulls and hold on until death. Those instincts are still there. The ability to break into violent attack without warning, unique to a very small subset of dog breeds, does not go away. That is why if you bother to read the horrific actual accounts of attacks you will hear over and over how loving responsible dog owners were horribly shocked the day their sweet and loving bully breed family pet ‘went beserk’ and ate the kids faces off - or grandma’s. These people are really well meaning, I truly believe it.
Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 01:27     Subject: Another pitbull attack and death.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's actually something narcissistic in the way pitbull owners get self-righteous about the restrictions and "prejudices" placed on the breed. They never seem to acknowledge that the deaths are devastating and scar the victims' families for lives. Oh no, let's gather together and rant about how mean and uninformed society is. Plus our pitties are sooooo sweet and look at my girl's goober eyes!

Yeah, I dare you to talk like that in front of a grieving mother whose child was torn to shreds by badly raised dogs.



I look upon pit bull owners the same way I look upon open carry people. It's pathetic. Both are using some external object to intimidate others. Pit Bulls are 2 percent of the American dog population but commit more than 70 percent of all attacks on humans. It's an incredibly dangerous breed. It should be outlawed like it is in many countries. If you own a pit bull, you are a horrible human being. Trashy. The kind of person that enjoys scaring people. Genuinely bad person


You are a simple person. Pit bulls are five different dog breeds not including the many mixes so there are a lot of " pit bulls" The dogs that have attacked have been abused, neglected. Many years ago, other dog breeds were vilfied..German sheperds, Rottweilers, chows, etc.

It is the humans fault, not the dog


This myth needs to die. Look at the family in TN where their 2 5k+ XL bullies raised by them from puppyhood in a nice home with nice parents got triggered and killed the two kids nd mauled the mom. There are a ton of stories of people thoughtfully raising puppies who, as they hit the "magic age" start to get aggressive and sometimes kill.

Are these dogs the only dogs out there where genetics mean squat? They're just total blank slates and it's all in how you raise them? That's pretty remarkable. It's not true, but it would be remarkable if so.


We're you living in their home? I cannot remark on this story but to condemn five different bully breeds because a few attack seem wrong. Humans do way more damage on animals, humans and the environment than dogs do.


So, you're going to blame the Mom and Dad who raised these dogs and by all accounts adored them who had their babies torn to shreds? And slander them as animal abusers? You think they TAUGHT their dogs to kill their kids?

Pit apologists are so classy.

BTW, it's not "a few attacks," they happen almost daily, not even counting what they do to other animals.

So yes, I will condemn them. What humans do to dogs is not relevant to this conversation. I believe in genetics. A retriever will generally retrieve. A pointer, will point. A herder? Well they will herd (maybe your kids!) A dog bred to fight other dogs and large animals in the pit to death, no matter what (gameness) will always have those genetics. Does it mean ALL? Well, no. Just like some retrievers don't actually like retrieving. Would I roll the dice that I'm going to get the one that won't fulfill it's genetic destiny? Hell no.

One of the most frustrating things about you Pit people, BTW, is that you rarely seem to be actual responsible owners of these breeds. People with Rottweilers, Pinschers, Akitas, Malinois, etc. generally KNOW they have powerful, dangerous dogs on their hands and they tend to train and treat them accordingly. They don't act like they're some kind of misunderstood dog that becomes harmless once you slap a pair of pajamas on them. That they're handed out for free and billed as this blank slate perfect family dog is basically criminal.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2023 22:57     Subject: Another pitbull attack and death.
It would actually make for a fascinating study, if there is a correlation between one's political stance on guns and ownership of pit bulls.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2023 22:56     Subject: Another pitbull attack and death.
There's a willful ignorance by pit owners that comes out as defensiveness for the breed and claiming "discrimination" despite facts indicating otherwise. I really see the correlation with people who oppose common sense gun reform - it's willful ignorance of the facts surrounding the dangers. Innocent people pay with their lives, in both cases.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2023 21:16     Subject: Re:Another pitbull attack and death.
^ turned on him
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2023 21:16     Subject: Another pitbull attack and death.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There's actually something narcissistic in the way pitbull owners get self-righteous about the restrictions and "prejudices" placed on the breed. They never seem to acknowledge that the deaths are devastating and scar the victims' families for lives. Oh no, let's gather together and rant about how mean and uninformed society is. Plus our pitties are sooooo sweet and look at my girl's goober eyes!

Yeah, I dare you to talk like that in front of a grieving mother whose child was torn to shreds by badly raised dogs.



I look upon pit bull owners the same way I look upon open carry people. It's pathetic. Both are using some external object to intimidate others. Pit Bulls are 2 percent of the American dog population but commit more than 70 percent of all attacks on humans. It's an incredibly dangerous breed. It should be outlawed like it is in many countries. If you own a pit bull, you are a horrible human being. Trashy. The kind of person that enjoys scaring people. Genuinely bad person


You are a simple person. Pit bulls are five different dog breeds not including the many mixes so there are a lot of " pit bulls" The dogs that have attacked have been abused, neglected. Many years ago, other dog breeds were vilfied..German sheperds, Rottweilers, chows, etc.

It is the humans fault, not the dog
Rubbish! I know of a guy who owned 2 beautiful pits. They were great for years and then suddenly they turned him. He had to get rid of them. There was no reason for their turning. It was scary. They just snapped. Sad.