Anonymous
Post 04/16/2023 09:16     Subject: Re:If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.

It’s the non-shelter dogs though - many southern states have a different attitude around spay/neuter, as well as a different level of resources available. Many people want to breed their animals and sell the puppies, or they can’t afford to get surgery for the dog, or have an attitude that they don’t want to cut their dog’s balls off. These attitudes exist everywhere of course, but in the South they are more widespread. Dogs are kept outdoors much more often and mistreated as a result. If there was more legislation requiring licensed animals and breeding, it might improve conditions. They would need the funding for enforcement though, and the poorest states have many other challenges to focus on ahead of this.

I don’t work in this space, but there are lurkers on the forum who do and I’m sure they can (and have) explained this more accurately. If you Google the issues though, there are many news articles outlining the problems and possible solutions.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2023 22:56     Subject: If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:That's insane to charge $475 for a rescue.


Rescue dogs need full veterinary attention before they become available. They almost always need to be neutered and often need dental work and heart worm or other treatment.

Adoption costs do not typically cover these expenses.


The price is fine - but Lucky does NOT fully vet their animals. I have a dog from Lucky Dog and I love him (he’s a chocolate lab, was brought up from SC, and that’s all we know other than dates of first shots/neutering), but he had skin conditions that required treatment, a small dog bite on his ear that hadn’t been treated, and hook worm.

We happily paid the fee because we know rescue work is expensive - and I’d happily pay more if the animals were fully vetted first and all health problems disclosed and/or treated prior to adoption.

I love my dog - he’s awesome and we looked hard for the right dog for us. I’m not sure I’d go through Lucky Dog again though.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2023 22:49     Subject: Re:If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.

EVERY shelter requires spay/neuter before adoption, north/south, everywhere. That's been a thing for at least 4 decades. You tell me what exactly you think that 'southern states' need to do.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2023 16:12     Subject: Re:If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?

If you look at Wolf Trap Rescue, they essentially took Booneville, Mississippi to almost no euthanization in the shelters. The policy is spay/neuter before adoption. And they do it young because the benefits outweigh the risks.
You just want to be argumentative, but it’s both at the state and county level. Yes, counties control animal control for the most part, but state law comes in to play regarding animal abuse cases.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2023 16:06     Subject: Re:If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.


The best long-term solution would be to require all dogs to be licensed and almost all dogs to be spayed or neutered. But that's not going to happen, especially in Southern states, so this is what we're left with.

Why is this happening especially in Southern states? Is it just because it’s more rural so there are more strays running around?

Yes and it’s just a whole different attitude towards animals. People throw them out of cars, dump them, shoot them etc. They don’t neuter them. It’s poverty and lack of education.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2023 15:55     Subject: Re:If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.


The best long-term solution would be to require all dogs to be licensed and almost all dogs to be spayed or neutered. But that's not going to happen, especially in Southern states, so this is what we're left with.

Why is this happening especially in Southern states? Is it just because it’s more rural so there are more strays running around?
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2023 00:53     Subject: If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:Big Fluffy is another good rescue outfit.

And that price barely covers the vet work your dog will receive before you adopt it.

We got a dog from a rescue place that hadn't had the poor thing more than a day or two, and he was a wreck when we picked him up. Don't be like us! We adore our dog, but go with a rescue that has good references and a good track record, or buy from a breeder.

Also, you can't go wrong with a Flatcoat Retriever![/quote]

Kind off derailing, but...can you tell me about this/ We have 2 Goldens who have always been very mellow, easily trainable, polite, etc. I have been interested in diversifying slightly and love the look of a flat coated retriever, but people online are like, "do NOT do it if you are expecting a Golden personality. They are CRAZY and way more work. Defiant, jumpy, nippy, etc."

How true is that in your opinion?

(I know also I got lucky with two angels who were always more "chill" than their peers).
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 20:15     Subject: If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone who doesn't want to end up with a pit mix should not get a rescue, because unless the rescue does a DNA test, there's no way to be sure there's no pit in a dog.

I say this as someone who doesn't care one way or the other about pits and who does have a rescue


Your first statement contradicts your second. So many haters.


Your reading comprehension is poor.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 20:14     Subject: Re:If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They will have you sign a contract that if you ever give the dog up you have to give it back to them. But if the reason you are giving it back is that it is aggressive, they won't take it back.

Won’t people simply lie in that case?


Only people who are liars will lie.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 20:12     Subject: If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:That's insane to charge $475 for a rescue.


Rescue dogs need full veterinary attention before they become available. They almost always need to be neutered and often need dental work and heart worm or other treatment.

Adoption costs do not typically cover these expenses.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 20:09     Subject: If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:Big Fluffy is another good rescue outfit.

And that price barely covers the vet work your dog will receive before you adopt it.

We got a dog from a rescue place that hadn't had the poor thing more than a day or two, and he was a wreck when we picked him up. Don't be like us! We adore our dog, but go with a rescue that has good references and a good track record, or buy from a breeder.

Also, you can't go wrong with a Flatcoat Retriever!


NP. We have a mix that has been called a miniature flat-coated retriever. It would be fun to get her a full size companion. I'll ask DH about this one.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 19:27     Subject: Re:If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.


The best long-term solution would be to require all dogs to be licensed and almost all dogs to be spayed or neutered. But that's not going to happen, especially in Southern states, so this is what we're left with.


Technically all dogs are required to have a rabies license but many don't do it. The problem with spay and neutering is the cost. Except for a few clinics that do low income only, its crazy expensive.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 18:56     Subject: If you're looking for a good rescue...
Big Fluffy is another good rescue outfit.

And that price barely covers the vet work your dog will receive before you adopt it.

We got a dog from a rescue place that hadn't had the poor thing more than a day or two, and he was a wreck when we picked him up. Don't be like us! We adore our dog, but go with a rescue that has good references and a good track record, or buy from a breeder.

Also, you can't go wrong with a Flatcoat Retriever!
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 18:49     Subject: Re:If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.

What 'policies' do you propose that 'southern' states change ? What 'policies'do you have up north that have actually worked? And how the heck did the state take them over since animal control is generally handled at the county level?
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2023 14:52     Subject: Re:If you're looking for a good rescue...
Anonymous wrote:I have a dog from lucky dog too. They’re basically a pipeline from SC shelters to here. I’m not at all sure about it. I think it just creates a market and then there’s no pressure to do anything locally to prevent so many unwanted dogs. These linked are older but the adoption event I went to was 75% pit puppies. I don’t have the sense they want to work themselves out of a job, if that makes sense. And I just don’t see why this is the best long term solution.

Market implies that they are making money. They are not.
It would be wonderful if we could require the southern states to change their policies on neutering and dog ownership....how are you going to do that? Yep, it's absolutely a bandaid but what else are you suggesting be done? You should incredibly unaware of the situation.