NP reviving this to ask a new question:

I have variegated liriope in a contained area along a path (it has sidewalk on one side and a stone border on the other). It's a small area with 6 liriope and no other plants. How hard do you think it will be to dig these out? I don't believe they are the traveling variety. Tips on taking them out?

And, if I do successfully dig them out, what should I plant instead? This is a hot, full sun area that gets southern sun all day. Looking for a native that will look nice since this is in front of the house. I don't want it to be too tall - maybe 1-2 feet max. Thanks for any suggestions!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half my garden beds were overgrown with liriope (which is the 2nd worst invasive, only after chameleon plant to get rid of, IMHO).

My experience is that you have to really DIG it up, I'm talking methodically taking out strips, digging at least 6-8" down. And even then, you'll still have shoots from any of the roots you leave in. I have not had much luck with covering it--except perhaps to make subsequent digging easier--though I have not been patient enough to wait for years so perhaps it would sloooow-ly eventually die.

PP, if you got rid of chameleon plant, please share your secret. I've been battling it for years.

DP. I'm slowly winning the battle. I dug up where I could and where I couldn't, I painted herbicide on the leaves. Yes, painted. It twined its way in my peonies, milkweed and other plants that don't like their roots disturbed. Painting the herbicide onto the leaves allowed me to target it.

I'm still battling it and have had just a few pop up so far this spring. I'm amazed at how far it's runners can go. It's as horrible as its smell.

FYI you can eat chameleon plant too
https://www.nashvillescene.com/food_drink/chameleon-plant-alien-menace-or-culinary-delicacy/article_a71ed3c2-176a-5638-89f3-5351a44cd21f.html#:~:text=Aside%20from%20being%20a%20non,don%27t%20have%20a%20particularly

Anonymous wrote:Half my garden beds were overgrown with liriope (which is the 2nd worst invasive, only after chameleon plant to get rid of, IMHO).

My experience is that you have to really DIG it up, I'm talking methodically taking out strips, digging at least 6-8" down. And even then, you'll still have shoots from any of the roots you leave in. I have not had much luck with covering it--except perhaps to make subsequent digging easier--though I have not been patient enough to wait for years so perhaps it would sloooow-ly eventually die.

Plant something to replace it. I planted Hop Sedge (Carex family), which clumps and spreads a bit. It gets about 2.5 ft high and gets cute flowers on it in late summer that looks like hops. I'm still finding SOME liriope shoots but far less this year so far.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Half my garden beds were overgrown with liriope (which is the 2nd worst invasive, only after chameleon plant to get rid of, IMHO).

My experience is that you have to really DIG it up, I'm talking methodically taking out strips, digging at least 6-8" down. And even then, you'll still have shoots from any of the roots you leave in. I have not had much luck with covering it--except perhaps to make subsequent digging easier--though I have not been patient enough to wait for years so perhaps it would sloooow-ly eventually die.

PP, if you got rid of chameleon plant, please share your secret. I've been battling it for years.

DP. I'm slowly winning the battle. I dug up where I could and where I couldn't, I painted herbicide on the leaves. Yes, painted. It twined its way in my peonies, milkweed and other plants that don't like their roots disturbed. Painting the herbicide onto the leaves allowed me to target it.

I'm still battling it and have had just a few pop up so far this spring. I'm amazed at how far it's runners can go. It's as horrible as its smell.

Anonymous wrote:Half my garden beds were overgrown with liriope (which is the 2nd worst invasive, only after chameleon plant to get rid of, IMHO).

My experience is that you have to really DIG it up, I'm talking methodically taking out strips, digging at least 6-8" down. And even then, you'll still have shoots from any of the roots you leave in. I have not had much luck with covering it--except perhaps to make subsequent digging easier--though I have not been patient enough to wait for years so perhaps it would sloooow-ly eventually die.

PP, if you got rid of chameleon plant, please share your secret. I've been battling it for years.

Half my garden beds were overgrown with liriope (which is the 2nd worst invasive, only after chameleon plant to get rid of, IMHO).

My experience is that you have to really DIG it up, I'm talking methodically taking out strips, digging at least 6-8" down. And even then, you'll still have shoots from any of the roots you leave in. I have not had much luck with covering it--except perhaps to make subsequent digging easier--though I have not been patient enough to wait for years so perhaps it would sloooow-ly eventually die.

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Anonymous wrote:what kind of daylillies do you think they are? if they seem like they are the wild orange ones, you can eat the shoots and may be able to eat the tubers too (though you should probably research that one). the shoots are actually pretty tasty. If they are hybrid ones, you may want to post on a listserv or something that the lillies are free to whover wants to dig them up.

and i agree that monarda is very agressive and that jacob kline and most of the older varieties are mildew magnets.

Are you a deer?

NP. LOL. My brothers were in the boy scouts and I recall orange daylily flower buds were a thing. You sauteed them in butter or something like that.

The orange daylilies spread like weeds. I have been able to remove them by persistently digging them up over a few years. I also have a lot of hybrid daylilies and while those form larger clumps with each season they never spread like crazy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what kind of daylillies do you think they are? if they seem like they are the wild orange ones, you can eat the shoots and may be able to eat the tubers too (though you should probably research that one). the shoots are actually pretty tasty. If they are hybrid ones, you may want to post on a listserv or something that the lillies are free to whover wants to dig them up.

and i agree that monarda is very agressive and that jacob kline and most of the older varieties are mildew magnets.

There are no daylilies native to North America. The orange ones, in particular, are considered invasive. Best to eradicate them than to share them.

https://www.invasive.org/alien/pubs/midatlantic/hefu.htm#:~:text=Daylilies%20established%20in%20natural%20areas,it%20a%20challenge%20to%20control.

PP here. i was always told that the common orange daylilies (fulva) were native. i've now learned something! in any case, i was not advocating giving those away--i wasy saying one way they could get rid of them is to eat them, as they really are a nice sauteed green at this time of year. what i was trying to say was that if they have any of the hybrid lilies sold from nurseries etc, people might be willing to come dig them up in order to keep the plants.

Anonymous wrote:Do many oriole are allergic to goldenrod…. I wouldn’t!

Goldenrod is not an allergen source, to people or orioles, as most think. You're thinking of Ragweed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:what kind of daylillies do you think they are? if they seem like they are the wild orange ones, you can eat the shoots and may be able to eat the tubers too (though you should probably research that one). the shoots are actually pretty tasty. If they are hybrid ones, you may want to post on a listserv or something that the lillies are free to whover wants to dig them up.

and i agree that monarda is very agressive and that jacob kline and most of the older varieties are mildew magnets.

There are no daylilies native to North America. The orange ones, in particular, are considered invasive. Best to eradicate them than to share them.

https://www.invasive.org/alien/pubs/midatlantic/hefu.htm#:~:text=Daylilies%20established%20in%20natural%20areas,it%20a%20challenge%20to%20control.

It's frustrating because I see people digging up orange day lilies, because they're so invasive, but then they give them away to other people on NextDoor and FB.

Anonymous wrote:what kind of daylillies do you think they are? if they seem like they are the wild orange ones, you can eat the shoots and may be able to eat the tubers too (though you should probably research that one). the shoots are actually pretty tasty. If they are hybrid ones, you may want to post on a listserv or something that the lillies are free to whover wants to dig them up.

and i agree that monarda is very agressive and that jacob kline and most of the older varieties are mildew magnets.

There are no daylilies native to North America. The orange ones, in particular, are considered invasive. Best to eradicate them than to share them.

https://www.invasive.org/alien/pubs/midatlantic/hefu.htm#:~:text=Daylilies%20established%20in%20natural%20areas,it%20a%20challenge%20to%20control.

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Anonymous wrote:Do many oriole are allergic to goldenrod…. I wouldn’t!

😆 What? I am positive orioles aren’t allergic to goldenrod. And if you mistyped and meant “people,” you’re also wrong. Goldenrod and ragweed are totally different plants.

+1

From Prairie Moon: “Sadly, goldenrods often get blamed for causing the dreaded hayfever. This is simply not true. Their pollen is quite large and sticky so as to better adhere to the body of visiting insects. Because of this, goldenrod pollen cannot become airborne and can never make its way into your sinuses. The true cause of hayfever is the wind pollinated ragweeds, which broadcast copious amounts of lightweight pollen into the air. We cannot stress enough how important goldenrods are on the landscape. Including them on your property will provide ecosystem services well into the fall when most other plant life is shutting down.” https://www.prairiemoon.com/solidago-speciosa-showy-goldenrod-prairie-moon-nursery.html

If you’ve ever watched bees or butterflies when they leave, the goldenrod pollen is indeed very sticky and visible. How to tell them apart: https://hgic.clemson.edu/how-to-tell-the-difference-between-goldenrod-and-ragweed/

Anonymous wrote:Do many oriole are allergic to goldenrod…. I wouldn’t!

😆 What? I am positive orioles aren’t allergic to goldenrod. And if you mistyped and meant “people,” you’re also wrong. Goldenrod and ragweed are totally different plants.

Anonymous wrote:what kind of daylillies do you think they are? if they seem like they are the wild orange ones, you can eat the shoots and may be able to eat the tubers too (though you should probably research that one). the shoots are actually pretty tasty. If they are hybrid ones, you may want to post on a listserv or something that the lillies are free to whover wants to dig them up.

and i agree that monarda is very agressive and that jacob kline and most of the older varieties are mildew magnets.

Are you a deer?