Anonymous
03/31/2023 15:04
Subject: Re:SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There is no universe where this sort of thing isn't divisive.
I'm still waiting for the person who said they have data.
I thought we all agreed that diversity training causes more harm than good? https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/17/opinion/dei-trainings-effective.html
Anonymous
03/31/2023 15:03
Subject: SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This isn't even the most offensive email that SWS leadership has sent recently about which students and families are allowed to go to which events.
If you're so offended, take your kid out of the school.
You're mad because they had a social event for Black families and that all of this came out of direct feedback from black families at the school? I mean SWS can't win, first they are attacked on DCUM for being too white, then when they address specific and direct concerns that have been addressed, they're too woke?
A school can definitely be both too white (especially with respect to what it means for self-selection in the context of city demographics) and too woke. I would not want to be a black parent at a school where the message going around is that at a social event for only black parents the black parents decided there should be a group for only white parents aimed solely at discussing how the perpetuate whiteness and racism. I mean, my god.
No, there was not a black only social event that launched the affinity groups.
The school has a parent committee focused on diversity and inclusion. That committee encompasses whoever wants to join. It was the committee that launched the affinity group ideas and otherwise helps to address diversity at the school, and yes some of that is based on prior feedback from Black families at the school. The affinity groups are supposed to come together for shared conversation at the end of the year.
Separately, someone posted that they were offended about being excluded from some other separate event, which I can only guess is that the school had a social event for families/children who identify as black at the school because I can't find anything else remotely offensive.
It was very clear that only these students and families were invited. That's not right and it's not legal.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 15:02
Subject: Re:SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:There is no universe where this sort of thing isn't divisive.
I'm still waiting for the person who said they have data.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 15:01
Subject: Re:SWS has jumped the shark
There is no universe where this sort of thing isn't divisive.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:59
Subject: SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This isn't even the most offensive email that SWS leadership has sent recently about which students and families are allowed to go to which events.
If you're so offended, take your kid out of the school.
You're mad because they had a social event for Black families and that all of this came out of direct feedback from black families at the school? I mean SWS can't win, first they are attacked on DCUM for being too white, then when they address specific and direct concerns that have been addressed, they're too woke?
A school can definitely be both too white (especially with respect to what it means for self-selection in the context of city demographics) and too woke. I would not want to be a black parent at a school where the message going around is that at a social event for only black parents the black parents decided there should be a group for only white parents aimed solely at discussing how the perpetuate whiteness and racism. I mean, my god.
No, there was not a black only social event that launched the affinity groups.
The school has a parent committee focused on diversity and inclusion. That committee encompasses whoever wants to join. It was the committee that launched the affinity group ideas and otherwise helps to address diversity at the school, and yes some of that is based on prior feedback from Black families at the school. The affinity groups are supposed to come together for shared conversation at the end of the year.
Separately, someone posted that they were offended about being excluded from some other separate event, which I can only guess is that the school had a social event for families/children who identify as black at the school because I can't find anything else remotely offensive.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:53
Subject: SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:No way I would join anything called a "white affinity group". All you need is for that to get taken out of context by somebody. No thank you.
This! The description is like insanely woke, but the title reads like something on a Klan CV. What were they thinking??
This.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:48
Subject: SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This isn't even the most offensive email that SWS leadership has sent recently about which students and families are allowed to go to which events.
If you're so offended, take your kid out of the school.
You're mad because they had a social event for Black families and that all of this came out of direct feedback from black families at the school? I mean SWS can't win, first they are attacked on DCUM for being too white, then when they address specific and direct concerns that have been addressed, they're too woke?
A school can definitely be both too white (especially with respect to what it means for self-selection in the context of city demographics) and too woke. I would not want to be a black parent at a school where the message going around is that at a social event for only black parents the black parents decided there should be a group for only white parents aimed solely at discussing how the perpetuate whiteness and racism. I mean, my god.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:47
Subject: SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This isn't even the most offensive email that SWS leadership has sent recently about which students and families are allowed to go to which events.
If you're so offended, take your kid out of the school.
You're mad because they had a social event for Black families and that all of this came out of direct feedback from black families at the school? I mean SWS can't win, first they are attacked on DCUM for being too white, then when they address specific and direct concerns that have been addressed, they're too woke?
DP. I think that a public school is no place to have an express racial exclusion. Not only does this tread thin ground legally, but it’s bound to cause friction. Privately organized black parents groups are fine.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:46
Subject: SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This isn't even the most offensive email that SWS leadership has sent recently about which students and families are allowed to go to which events.
If you're so offended, take your kid out of the school.
You're mad because they had a social event for Black families and that all of this came out of direct feedback from black families at the school? I mean SWS can't win, first they are attacked on DCUM for being too white, then when they address specific and direct concerns that have been addressed, they're too woke?
Helpful, thanks.
A social event for only black families came up with the idea that the school should have a group for only white parents solely aimed at discussing their "personal internalization, experiences, and perpetuation of whiteness and racism"? That suggests deep problems in the school community and I do not agree at all with the person who said that this group has the same focus as a group on how to be an ally. It does not at all. And I find it bizarre that only white people are permitted to participate. (On top of everything else, for a public school, I'm not sure it is actually legal to have a white people only group if they are committing any actual public resources to this group; hard to see that this would meet strict scrutiny (vice, for instance, a black only group which as framed in this email would).
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:36
Subject: Re:SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This has Kindred written all over it. They drive a wedge into school communities and pretend it’ll result in healing. If any other school is considering partnering with Kindred and is reading this thread, please do not commit school, federal, or PTO dollars to this horrible organization. There is now data that proves this approach is harmful to communities. When we didn’t have the data, one could argue to give it a chance in case it is beneficial. But not now. I know of several schools that have partnered with Kindred and the organization has caused problems for most of them. Moreover, I have heard from several individuals who have met with them privately that their staff are some of the most unprofessional individuals that they have ever encountered. Just walk away from the conversation/negotiations, or end the partnership if you’ve started with them. It’s not worth the money.
Post the data
Is your Google broken?
Nope, I googled, didn't find it. I guess you don't have much other than anecdote or else post the data.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:35
Subject: SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This isn't even the most offensive email that SWS leadership has sent recently about which students and families are allowed to go to which events.
If you're so offended, take your kid out of the school.
You're mad because they had a social event for Black families and that all of this came out of direct feedback from black families at the school? I mean SWS can't win, first they are attacked on DCUM for being too white, then when they address specific and direct concerns that have been addressed, they're too woke?
Helpful, thanks.
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:33
Subject: Re:SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This has Kindred written all over it. They drive a wedge into school communities and pretend it’ll result in healing. If any other school is considering partnering with Kindred and is reading this thread, please do not commit school, federal, or PTO dollars to this horrible organization. There is now data that proves this approach is harmful to communities. When we didn’t have the data, one could argue to give it a chance in case it is beneficial. But not now. I know of several schools that have partnered with Kindred and the organization has caused problems for most of them. Moreover, I have heard from several individuals who have met with them privately that their staff are some of the most unprofessional individuals that they have ever encountered. Just walk away from the conversation/negotiations, or end the partnership if you’ve started with them. It’s not worth the money.
Post the data
Is your Google broken?
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:29
Subject: Re:SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:This has Kindred written all over it. They drive a wedge into school communities and pretend it’ll result in healing. If any other school is considering partnering with Kindred and is reading this thread, please do not commit school, federal, or PTO dollars to this horrible organization. There is now data that proves this approach is harmful to communities. When we didn’t have the data, one could argue to give it a chance in case it is beneficial. But not now. I know of several schools that have partnered with Kindred and the organization has caused problems for most of them. Moreover, I have heard from several individuals who have met with them privately that their staff are some of the most unprofessional individuals that they have ever encountered. Just walk away from the conversation/negotiations, or end the partnership if you’ve started with them. It’s not worth the money.
Post the data
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:27
Subject: SWS has jumped the shark
Anonymous wrote:This isn't even the most offensive email that SWS leadership has sent recently about which students and families are allowed to go to which events.
If you're so offended, take your kid out of the school.
You're mad because they had a social event for Black families and that all of this came out of direct feedback from black families at the school? I mean SWS can't win, first they are attacked on DCUM for being too white, then when they address specific and direct concerns that have been addressed, they're too woke?
Anonymous
03/31/2023 14:27
Subject: Re:SWS has jumped the shark
This has Kindred written all over it. They drive a wedge into school communities and pretend it’ll result in healing. If any other school is considering partnering with Kindred and is reading this thread, please do not commit school, federal, or PTO dollars to this horrible organization. There is now data that proves this approach is harmful to communities. When we didn’t have the data, one could argue to give it a chance in case it is beneficial. But not now. I know of several schools that have partnered with Kindred and the organization has caused problems for most of them. Moreover, I have heard from several individuals who have met with them privately that their staff are some of the most unprofessional individuals that they have ever encountered. Just walk away from the conversation/negotiations, or end the partnership if you’ve started with them. It’s not worth the money.