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Anonymous wrote:56 is not even an AA time for 17-18 year old girls, so I cannot imagine it would lead to recruitment. How old is she? My 10 year old swims a 59 100 free but is very fast for age. I don’t know much about D3 but it sounds like that could potentially be a possibility. We are not to that stage yet but have seen lots of friends go through it.

Your second sentence probably didn’t add to the conversation and may have hurt feelings.

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Please be constructive. A humblebrag of non pertinent information is not necessary.

Anonymous wrote:For example, swim cloud recruiting ranking page says 95th for high school class of 202x in the entire state/commonwealth. Is that good enough to... swim in college? Get a division 1 scholarship? I haven't the faintest idea.

Wow 95th in most other sports in a state is rubbish and wouldn’t be good enough for lowest d3

Anonymous wrote:Didn't you save for college? I don't get expecting a scholarship.

you know not everyone is rich right? I’m not OP but my kid swims, not very well to be honest, probably not even college worthy, but doesn’t hurt for those of us who aren’t wealthy to think about it.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, swim cloud recruiting ranking page says 95th for high school class of 202x in the entire state/commonwealth. Is that good enough to... swim in college? Get a division 1 scholarship? I haven't the faintest idea.

Power index is a better measure than state ranking. The best Power Index is 1.0. Power index in the low-mid teens is a good starting place to get some money for D1 swimming. How much money varies greatly depending on type of team/school. Almost no one is getting full ride, Power Index close to 1 probably.

Swim cloud power index is in the high 50s.

-OP

High 50s would not swim in D1 or a competitive D2/3, unless they were amazing in one event and crap at everything else. And when I say amazing, I mean literally top 50 in the nation to make up for having zero flexibility for a college team. If the high 50 is because all their best three events were 45-55 in the index, it would be tough to find a college team.

Can you explain roughly what the power index needs to be for a chance at d1 and competitive d2/d3?

Anonymous wrote:56 is not even an AA time for 17-18 year old girls, so I cannot imagine it would lead to recruitment. How old is she? My 10 year old swims a 59 100 free but is very fast for age. I don’t know much about D3 but it sounds like that could potentially be a possibility. We are not to that stage yet but have seen lots of friends go through it.

Your second sentence probably didn’t add to the conversation and may have hurt feelings.

56 is not even an AA time for 17-18 year old girls, so I cannot imagine it would lead to recruitment. How old is she? My 10 year old swims a 59 100 free but is very fast for age. I don’t know much about D3 but it sounds like that could potentially be a possibility. We are not to that stage yet but have seen lots of friends go through it.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, swim cloud recruiting ranking page says 95th for high school class of 202x in the entire state/commonwealth. Is that good enough to... swim in college? Get a division 1 scholarship? I haven't the faintest idea.

Power index is a better measure than state ranking. The best Power Index is 1.0. Power index in the low-mid teens is a good starting place to get some money for D1 swimming. How much money varies greatly depending on type of team/school. Almost no one is getting full ride, Power Index close to 1 probably.

Swim cloud power index is in the high 50s.

-OP

High 50s would not swim in D1 or a competitive D2/3, unless they were amazing in one event and crap at everything else. And when I say amazing, I mean literally top 50 in the nation to make up for having zero flexibility for a college team. If the high 50 is because all their best three events were 45-55 in the index, it would be tough to find a college team.

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Anonymous wrote:For example, swim cloud recruiting ranking page says 95th for high school class of 202x in the entire state/commonwealth. Is that good enough to... swim in college? Get a division 1 scholarship? I haven't the faintest idea.

Power index is a better measure than state ranking. The best Power Index is 1.0. Power index in the low-mid teens is a good starting place to get some money for D1 swimming. How much money varies greatly depending on type of team/school. Almost no one is getting full ride, Power Index close to 1 probably.

Swim cloud power index is in the high 50s.

-OP

Probably not going to get recruiting interest, but there is a place for everyone who wants to continue swimming. Also depends on how much time and potential for progress she has, might be time to just keep working hard in school and the pool for now.

Take a look at the class of 2023 commitments, especially in that range. I would also guess there are kids in that range that will continue swimming and don’t have that posted on Swimcloud, but you might get an idea.

Another avenue of college swimming is at the club level, which I’ve heard great things about.

If you want to see where your HS kids' times stack up. Look at the times of the kids that are there already. To get recruited, she would probably need to be in the top 3-ish (?) of kids that are there. Also, you can look at the times for the school's conference championships.

Just to give you an idea and not to burst your bubble, but my son had a low 50 in the 100 free. I remember thinking he would be competitive if he were a girl.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is a single answer. States vary dramatically in terms of swimming talent depth. Swimcloud has info about how particular times stack up with D1 and D3 teams.

I see. Is there a certain single event that can sort of distill a swimmer's overall talent? I can share that PB time if it helps.

College recruiting is largely stroke based, so there is no one event that can give you an idea of overall talent for recruiting purposes. By the time recruiting starts swimmers have narrowed in on their best strokes and events and are focusing there. No one cares if an elite breaststroker isn’t good at fly, and vice versa.

I think this is one of the go-to strokes. Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Freestyle: 56.xx

Being brutally honest, not especially. We are at a big club and the fastest 11-12 year old girls are already under a minute in the 100 free. The fastest 15-16 year olds are well under 56 seconds.

Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Breaststroke: 1:12.xx

You can go on swimmingrank.com and plug in the swimmer’s name to see where they rank in their club, LSC, zone, and nationally. The fastest 11-12 year olds are under 1:12 in the 100 yard breast. To give you an idea, a flat 1:12 would rank 658 in the Eastern Zone for 15-16 year olds. So that time is not going to generate recruiting interest unless you’re asking about a 10-11 year old, and if that is the case you are looking way too far ahead.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think there is a single answer. States vary dramatically in terms of swimming talent depth. Swimcloud has info about how particular times stack up with D1 and D3 teams.

I see. Is there a certain single event that can sort of distill a swimmer's overall talent? I can share that PB time if it helps.

College recruiting is largely stroke based, so there is no one event that can give you an idea of overall talent for recruiting purposes. By the time recruiting starts swimmers have narrowed in on their best strokes and events and are focusing there. No one cares if an elite breaststroker isn’t good at fly, and vice versa.

I think this is one of the go-to strokes. Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Freestyle: 56.xx

Being brutally honest, not especially. We are at a big club and the fastest 11-12 year old girls are already under a minute in the 100 free. The fastest 15-16 year olds are well under 56 seconds.

Is this good?

Women 100 Yard Breaststroke: 1:12.xx

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Anonymous wrote:For example, swim cloud recruiting ranking page says 95th for high school class of 202x in the entire state/commonwealth. Is that good enough to... swim in college? Get a division 1 scholarship? I haven't the faintest idea.

Power index is a better measure than state ranking. The best Power Index is 1.0. Power index in the low-mid teens is a good starting place to get some money for D1 swimming. How much money varies greatly depending on type of team/school. Almost no one is getting full ride, Power Index close to 1 probably.

Swim cloud power index is in the high 50s.

-OP

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Anonymous wrote:For example, swim cloud recruiting ranking page says 95th for high school class of 202x in the entire state/commonwealth. Is that good enough to... swim in college? Get a division 1 scholarship? I haven't the faintest idea.

Power index is a better measure than state ranking. The best Power Index is 1.0. Power index in the low-mid teens is a good starting place to get some money for D1 swimming. How much money varies greatly depending on type of team/school. Almost no one is getting full ride, Power Index close to 1 probably.

Also, kids will continue to populate in Swimcloud, so a top 100 2026 could move a lot as more swimmers opt in or get updated.

It’s probably about the top 200 in the country that are first targets of D1 programs when recruiting opens for the class.

Anonymous wrote:For example, swim cloud recruiting ranking page says 95th for high school class of 202x in the entire state/commonwealth. Is that good enough to... swim in college? Get a division 1 scholarship? I haven't the faintest idea.

Power index is a better measure than state ranking. The best Power Index is 1.0. Power index in the low-mid teens is a good starting place to get some money for D1 swimming. How much money varies greatly depending on type of team/school. Almost no one is getting full ride, Power Index close to 1 probably.

I think there are definitely D3 programs that would take a 56 second 100 freestyler, but they may have small, not very competitive programs. We have a few with slower times make it from our HS. Look at the results from some school your child might be interested in. I'm even surprised at some of the times on lower D1 programs.

But It is a lot of work, and grind, early mornings, to be the slowest swimmer on the team without much glory. For some kids OK, some not.

I have a swimmer that would only be able to swim at a low low d3 but she doesn't want to give up choosing her school to continue swimming. Some of her friends don't want to stop swimming, and will go where they can find a home. Both are ok.