Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 23:30     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dame has an 18% acceptance rate this year with a 22 % RD rate. That significantly higher than all the other schools in the top 25.


Where are you getting 18% from? It’s definitely lower. The acceptance rates from last year at top schools show Notre Dame is on par with many of the best colleges.

Schools significantly more selective than Notre Dame:

Harvard (3%)
Stanford (4%)
Caltech (4%)
Columbia (4%)
MIT (4%)
Duke (5%)
Yale (5%)
Brown (5%)
Princeton (6%)
UPenn (6%)
Dartmouth (6%)
Vanderbilt (6%)
Northwestern (7%)
Cornell (7%)
John’s Hopkins (7%)

Notre Dame’s Peer Group Acceptance Rates:

Rice (9%)
UCLA (9%)
Tufts (10%)
WashU (11%)
Carnegie Mellon (11%)
Berkeley (11%)
Georgetown (12%)
Notre Dame (13%)
Emory (16%)
UNC (17%)
Georgia Tech (17%)
UMich (18%)


Harvard, Stanford, Caltech, Columbia, MIT, Duke, Yale, and Brown need their own category. Once you hit 5% or lower acceptance rate, that's a different world. Accepting 1 in every 20 applicants is ridiculous, especially considering some of those schools (ahem Stanford and Duke) are admitting lots of top-level athletes who don't necessarily have the academics.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 23:24     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Anonymous wrote:Dame has an 18% acceptance rate this year with a 22 % RD rate. That significantly higher than all the other schools in the top 25.


Where are you getting 18% from? It’s definitely lower. The acceptance rates from last year at top schools show Notre Dame is on par with many of the best colleges.

Schools significantly more selective than Notre Dame:

Harvard (3%)
Stanford (4%)
Caltech (4%)
Columbia (4%)
MIT (4%)
Duke (5%)
Yale (5%)
Brown (5%)
Princeton (6%)
UPenn (6%)
Dartmouth (6%)
Vanderbilt (6%)
Northwestern (7%)
Cornell (7%)
John’s Hopkins (7%)

Notre Dame’s Peer Group Acceptance Rates:

Rice (9%)
UCLA (9%)
Tufts (10%)
WashU (11%)
Carnegie Mellon (11%)
Berkeley (11%)
Georgetown (12%)
Notre Dame (13%)
Emory (16%)
UNC (17%)
Georgia Tech (17%)
UMich (18%)
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 23:08     Subject: Re:Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Notre Dame was #17 based on test scores when it was mandatory.

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-50-smartest-colleges-in-america-2016-10#17-university-of-notre-dame-average-sat-1455-35
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 22:30     Subject: Re:Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
No. ND’s average gpa is a 4.04. UVA’s median is a 4.4. Not even close to an Ivy


I wouldn’t be surprised if ND accepts more kids from parochial and private schools that don’t weight grades like public schools do, so GPAs are not as inflated.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 22:09     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is more selective than any school outside of the top Ivies and Stanford. Its test scores are through the roof. It has a smaller applicant pool than many of the other top schools because it’s Catholic and many top applicants write it off for that reason alone. The applicant pool that it does attract is supremely qualified and the students that it admits enroll at a very high rate.



ND does t even come in top 50 for selectivity. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/lowest-acceptance-rate


And you don’t rank in the top 50 for brains. Acceptance rate and selectivity are not the same thing.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 22:08     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is more selective than any school outside of the top Ivies and Stanford. Its test scores are through the roof. It has a smaller applicant pool than many of the other top schools because it’s Catholic and many top applicants write it off for that reason alone. The applicant pool that it does attract is supremely qualified and the students that it admits enroll at a very high rate.



No. ND’s average gpa is a 4.04. UVA’s median is a 4.4. Not even close to an Ivy


I had two kids go to UVA after getting rejected from Notre Dame.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 22:00     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is more selective than any school outside of the top Ivies and Stanford. Its test scores are through the roof. It has a smaller applicant pool than many of the other top schools because it’s Catholic and many top applicants write it off for that reason alone. The applicant pool that it does attract is supremely qualified and the students that it admits enroll at a very high rate.



ND does t even come in top 50 for selectivity. https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/lowest-acceptance-rate
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 21:55     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dame has an 18% acceptance rate this year with a 22 % RD rate. That significantly higher than all the other schools in the top 25.

Notre Dame has no ED. ED lowers acceptance rates significantly.



You could have been honest and noted it has REA
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 21:48     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Anonymous wrote:Dame has an 18% acceptance rate this year with a 22 % RD rate. That significantly higher than all the other schools in the top 25.

These stats are out of date.

Class of 2027 REA, 15% (https://admissions.nd.edu/visit-engage/stories-news/university-of-notre-dame-releases-restrictive-early-action-decisions-for-the-class-of-2027/)

Class of 2026 overall rate, 13% (https://ndsmcobserver.com/2022/03/university-admits-3412-to-class-of-2026-from-record-number-of-applicants/)

(OP, be careful not to take whatever numbers first pop out of google. Note the year the data come from and source.)
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 20:26     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is more selective than any school outside of the top Ivies and Stanford. Its test scores are through the roof. It has a smaller applicant pool than many of the other top schools because it’s Catholic and many top applicants write it off for that reason alone. The applicant pool that it does attract is supremely qualified and the students that it admits enroll at a very high rate.



No. ND’s average gpa is a 4.04. UVA’s median is a 4.4. Not even close to an Ivy
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 20:14     Subject: Re:Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
The early action rate was 15.2%. Regular decision was even lower.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 20:11     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
They probably aren't advertising for international applications with low/no fees paid in local currency.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 20:01     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Notre Dame is more selective than any school outside of the top Ivies and Stanford. Its test scores are through the roof. It has a smaller applicant pool than many of the other top schools because it’s Catholic and many top applicants write it off for that reason alone. The applicant pool that it does attract is supremely qualified and the students that it admits enroll at a very high rate.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 19:53     Subject: Re:Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
What? The RD acceptance rate was 10%.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 19:34     Subject: Why is Notre Dame bot as selective as it's peers?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dame has an 18% acceptance rate this year with a 22 % RD rate. That significantly higher than all the other schools in the top 25.


Acceptance rate seems like a foolish thing to judge a school by. It’s just a measure of how many kids without a chance to get in that you’ve convinced to apply. It’s cruel.


As well as ED emphasis and yield management. Any school can contrive a low acceptance rate

Soliciting garbage international applications is another trick which doesn’t get enough attention. Schools like Amherst get like 40 pct of apps internationally with a tiny fraction admitted

If ND had ED it would help their acceptance rate that much as the yield is already above 60%. The only got around 17k apps.