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Anonymous wrote:To clarify, are they looking at AP course grades or AP exam scores?

Course work and course grades primarily each AP course is a 1 point GPA lift. B becomes A etc. with a cap on how many of those you can use

What I don’t know is whether they see the AP test scores too. Someone else might know.

He also mentions IB as being important for them as someone on todays UCLA thread said too

They do. All the colleges see all the scores via College Board

To reiterate, colleges only see scores that are submitted to the college by the student, either in the application or by ordering an official score report. Colleges cannot "see" into the College Board database.

The question still stands, do UCs consider AP scores? Is there a place in the app to report them and/or do UC admission offices accept official AP score reports sent by students prior to admission?

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting listen
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/tnyradiohour/segments/supreme-court-affirmative

What I was struck by was the linguistic tricks (for lack of a better word) that UC Berkeley admissions head used to say they don’t look at race as a factor (as public California schools can’t) but then he basically says they do use race by peering into the application. Lots of use of terms of equity and diversity. I’m for diversity but as we know, equity is a loaded word that doesn’t mean equality.

It’s a fascinating listen regardless of your views

Also found fascinating that this head of admissions at Berkeley who was previously at Stanford admissions was unaware of California public university prohibition on affirmative action in admissions prior to joining Cal. I’m mean how the heck does that happen?

He also does say how much they rely on APs in this interview.

Any of your DMV private parents at schools without AP courses holding out hope of UCB later this month, listen to this and lower your expectations by several notches. It’s probably not happening. Plus the bias against OOS given recent state mandates to increase in state and in state community college transfer ins.

It sounds like they’ve opened the door to lawsuits

Lawsuits are likely to fail. The Supreme Court is pretty likely to declare affirmative action unlawful, colleges will engage in whatever shenanigans they need to continue their practice of soft racial quotas, and the lower federal courts will engage in a campaign of massive resistance to the Supreme Court’s ruling and lawsuits will seldom succeed, just as with gun control cases. Affirmative action advocates think it is too important to allow a little thing like the law to stand in the way.

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Anonymous wrote:I said this on the ucla thread but remember
UCs also will only weight 2 classes per year out of 10th & 11th grade for the assessment of GPA

Yes but that’s 4 possible additional gross GPA points. Could be 0.5-0.7 additional weighting in wGPA. That’s not trivial when we know the UCs use algorithmic sorting as first pass

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting listen
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/tnyradiohour/segments/supreme-court-affirmative

What I was struck by was the linguistic tricks (for lack of a better word) that UC Berkeley admissions head used to say they don’t look at race as a factor (as public California schools can’t) but then he basically says they do use race by peering into the application. Lots of use of terms of equity and diversity. I’m for diversity but as we know, equity is a loaded word that doesn’t mean equality.

It’s a fascinating listen regardless of your views

Also found fascinating that this head of admissions at Berkeley who was previously at Stanford admissions was unaware of California public university prohibition on affirmative action in admissions prior to joining Cal. I’m mean how the heck does that happen?

He also does say how much they rely on APs in this interview.

Any of your DMV private parents at schools without AP courses holding out hope of UCB later this month, listen to this and lower your expectations by several notches. It’s probably not happening. Plus the bias against OOS given recent state mandates to increase in state and in state community college transfer ins.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting listen
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/tnyradiohour/segments/supreme-court-affirmative

What I was struck by was the linguistic tricks (for lack of a better word) that UC Berkeley admissions head used to say they don’t look at race as a factor (as public California schools can’t) but then he basically says they do use race by peering into the application. Lots of use of terms of equity and diversity. I’m for diversity but as we know, equity is a loaded word that doesn’t mean equality.

It’s a fascinating listen regardless of your views

Also found fascinating that this head of admissions at Berkeley who was previously at Stanford admissions was unaware of California public university prohibition on affirmative action in admissions prior to joining Cal. I’m mean how the heck does that happen?

He also does say how much they rely on APs in this interview.

Any of your DMV private parents at schools without AP courses holding out hope of UCB later this month, listen to this and lower your expectations by several notches. It’s probably not happening. Plus the bias against OOS given recent state mandates to increase in state and in state community college transfer ins.

It sounds like they’ve opened the door to lawsuits

Lawsuits are likely to fail. The Supreme Court is pretty likely to declare affirmative action unlawful, colleges will engage in whatever shenanigans they need to continue their practice of soft racial quotas, and the lower federal courts will engage in a campaign of massive resistance to the Supreme Court’s ruling and lawsuits will seldom succeed, just as with gun control cases. Affirmative action advocates think it is too important to allow a little thing like the law to stand in the way.

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting listen
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/tnyradiohour/segments/supreme-court-affirmative

What I was struck by was the linguistic tricks (for lack of a better word) that UC Berkeley admissions head used to say they don’t look at race as a factor (as public California schools can’t) but then he basically says they do use race by peering into the application. Lots of use of terms of equity and diversity. I’m for diversity but as we know, equity is a loaded word that doesn’t mean equality.

It’s a fascinating listen regardless of your views

Also found fascinating that this head of admissions at Berkeley who was previously at Stanford admissions was unaware of California public university prohibition on affirmative action in admissions prior to joining Cal. I’m mean how the heck does that happen?

He also does say how much they rely on APs in this interview.

Any of your DMV private parents at schools without AP courses holding out hope of UCB later this month, listen to this and lower your expectations by several notches. It’s probably not happening. Plus the bias against OOS given recent state mandates to increase in state and in state community college transfer ins.

It sounds like they’ve opened the door to lawsuits

Anonymous wrote:I said this on the ucla thread but remember
UCs also will only weight 2 classes per year out of 10th & 11th grade for the assessment of GPA

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To clarify, are they looking at AP course grades or AP exam scores?

Course work and course grades primarily each AP course is a 1 point GPA lift. B becomes A etc. with a cap on how many of those you can use

What I don’t know is whether they see the AP test scores too. Someone else might know.

He also mentions IB as being important for them as someone on todays UCLA thread said too

They do. All the colleges see all the scores via College Board

Colleges only see your scores if you submit them. if you don't submit scores, colleges don't see them during the application process.

UCs won’t look at sat or act. Will they look at AP Test scores? That’s the specific question

Anonymous wrote:Very interesting listen
https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/tnyradiohour/segments/supreme-court-affirmative

What I was struck by was the linguistic tricks (for lack of a better word) that UC Berkeley admissions head used to say they don’t look at race as a factor (as public California schools can’t) but then he basically says they do use race by peering into the application. Lots of use of terms of equity and diversity. I’m for diversity but as we know, equity is a loaded word that doesn’t mean equality.

It’s a fascinating listen regardless of your views

Also found fascinating that this head of admissions at Berkeley who was previously at Stanford admissions was unaware of California public university prohibition on affirmative action in admissions prior to joining Cal. I’m mean how the heck does that happen?

He also does say how much they rely on APs in this interview.

Any of your DMV private parents at schools without AP courses holding out hope of UCB later this month, listen to this and lower your expectations by several notches. It’s probably not happening. Plus the bias against OOS given recent state mandates to increase in state and in state community college transfer ins.

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Anonymous wrote:My other favorite was Dean of Admissions saying “Latin x” I don’t want to pollute this thread with the word choice but good god, actual Hispanic here and most Hispanics I know hate this Latin X tribal BS lingo. Haven’t there been surveys on this?

Berkeley seems like it’s admissions office is run by someone with an agenda and someone thinking they are doing good but actually probably subverting the law. I guess I should not be surprised.

Latinx is the most insulting thing you could call a Hispanic person - forcing a label on an ethnic group just because it promotes your political ideology and radical views on gender. It’s disgusting

Agreed. And I’m as liberal as they come. My hispanic family thinks the term is ridiculous.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To clarify, are they looking at AP course grades or AP exam scores?

Course work and course grades primarily each AP course is a 1 point GPA lift. B becomes A etc. with a cap on how many of those you can use

What I don’t know is whether they see the AP test scores too. Someone else might know.

He also mentions IB as being important for them as someone on todays UCLA thread said too

They do. All the colleges see all the scores via College Board

To reiterate, colleges only see scores that are submitted to the college by the student, either in the application or by ordering an official score report. Colleges cannot "see" into the College Board database.

The question still stands, do UCs consider AP scores? Is there a place in the app to report them and/or do UC admission offices accept official AP score reports sent by students prior to admission?

It was unclear from the interview if he was talking about AP exams or course work generally

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My other favorite was Dean of Admissions saying “Latin x” I don’t want to pollute this thread with the word choice but good god, actual Hispanic here and most Hispanics I know hate this Latin X tribal BS lingo. Haven’t there been surveys on this?

Berkeley seems like it’s admissions office is run by someone with an agenda and someone thinking they are doing good but actually probably subverting the law. I guess I should not be surprised.

Latinx is the most insulting thing you could call a Hispanic person - forcing a label on an ethnic group just because it promotes your political ideology and radical views on gender. It’s disgusting