Anonymous wrote:MCPS has pretty much done this, though rather than "eliminating" honors, they made it honors-for-all, which accomplishes the same thing. I'm with the critics on this approach. It's wrongheaded and doesn't work.

Anonymous wrote:Imagine paying billions into a school system that can't even have honors classes. LMAO. So glad I live in nova

Anonymous wrote:Why is this on MCPS forum? The right wingers are trying hard to create chaos and destroy public schools.

Anonymous wrote:Why is this on MCPS forum? The right wingers are trying hard to create chaos and destroy public schools.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS has pretty much done this, though rather than "eliminating" honors, they made it honors-for-all, which accomplishes the same thing. I'm with the critics on this approach. It's wrongheaded and doesn't work.

That's always been the case, though. Even when I was in HS 30 years ago, parents would force the school into admitting kids who didn't belong in these classes forcing them to be dumbed down. Nothing new here.

I think having a few kids who didn't belong forced into an honors class is wildly different from eliminating any qualifier for honors, which basically turns all classes into on-level classes without regard to student aptitude and performance.

In the former, those few students whose parents pushed them in suffer, but the rest of the class who is focuses and interested in learning doesn't. But in the latter, the kids who want to learn and be challenged suffer because now instead of 1 or 2 kids not being able to handle the class, now there's 10 or 15. Those are not the same issues at all.

+1 As usual, MCPS takes a decent idea (eliminate gatekeeping measures for Honors classes) and manages to take it too far.

I'd argue the same is true for the CES and MS magnet admissions. They were correct to eliminate gatekeeping measures like the at-home essay and teacher recommendations, but moving to a lottery that includes kids in the 65th percentile is just lunacy.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS has pretty much done this, though rather than "eliminating" honors, they made it honors-for-all, which accomplishes the same thing. I'm with the critics on this approach. It's wrongheaded and doesn't work.

That's always been the case, though. Even when I was in HS 30 years ago, parents would force the school into admitting kids who didn't belong in these classes forcing them to be dumbed down. Nothing new here.

I think having a few kids who didn't belong forced into an honors class is wildly different from eliminating any qualifier for honors, which basically turns all classes into on-level classes without regard to student aptitude and performance.

In the former, those few students whose parents pushed them in suffer, but the rest of the class who is focuses and interested in learning doesn't. But in the latter, the kids who want to learn and be challenged suffer because now instead of 1 or 2 kids not being able to handle the class, now there's 10 or 15. Those are not the same issues at all.

+1 As usual, MCPS takes a decent idea (eliminate gatekeeping measures for Honors classes) and manages to take it too far.

I'd argue the same is true for the CES and MS magnet admissions. They were correct to eliminate gatekeeping measures like the at-home essay and teacher recommendations, but moving to a lottery that includes kids in the 65th percentile is just lunacy.

The only reason they moved to a lottery as you may recall was the makers of the CogAT wouldn't allow them to administer their test during the deadly global pandemic.

Okay, but kids have been back in person for two years. What's the excuse now?

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Anonymous wrote:Article from WSJ today. Too bad for the schools doing this, it's much better to have all honors so all can have inflated grades.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/to-increase-equity-school-districts-eliminate-honors-classes-d5985dee

Doesn't Fox News own the WSJ?

Yep. More Faux News propaganda

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS has pretty much done this, though rather than "eliminating" honors, they made it honors-for-all, which accomplishes the same thing. I'm with the critics on this approach. It's wrongheaded and doesn't work.

That's always been the case, though. Even when I was in HS 30 years ago, parents would force the school into admitting kids who didn't belong in these classes forcing them to be dumbed down. Nothing new here.

I think having a few kids who didn't belong forced into an honors class is wildly different from eliminating any qualifier for honors, which basically turns all classes into on-level classes without regard to student aptitude and performance.

In the former, those few students whose parents pushed them in suffer, but the rest of the class who is focuses and interested in learning doesn't. But in the latter, the kids who want to learn and be challenged suffer because now instead of 1 or 2 kids not being able to handle the class, now there's 10 or 15. Those are not the same issues at all.

+1 As usual, MCPS takes a decent idea (eliminate gatekeeping measures for Honors classes) and manages to take it too far.

I'd argue the same is true for the CES and MS magnet admissions. They were correct to eliminate gatekeeping measures like the at-home essay and teacher recommendations, but moving to a lottery that includes kids in the 65th percentile is just lunacy.

The only reason they moved to a lottery as you may recall was the makers of the CogAT wouldn't allow them to administer their test during the deadly global pandemic.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS has pretty much done this, though rather than "eliminating" honors, they made it honors-for-all, which accomplishes the same thing. I'm with the critics on this approach. It's wrongheaded and doesn't work.

That's always been the case, though. Even when I was in HS 30 years ago, parents would force the school into admitting kids who didn't belong in these classes forcing them to be dumbed down. Nothing new here.

I think having a few kids who didn't belong forced into an honors class is wildly different from eliminating any qualifier for honors, which basically turns all classes into on-level classes without regard to student aptitude and performance.

In the former, those few students whose parents pushed them in suffer, but the rest of the class who is focuses and interested in learning doesn't. But in the latter, the kids who want to learn and be challenged suffer because now instead of 1 or 2 kids not being able to handle the class, now there's 10 or 15. Those are not the same issues at all.

+1 As usual, MCPS takes a decent idea (eliminate gatekeeping measures for Honors classes) and manages to take it too far.

I'd argue the same is true for the CES and MS magnet admissions. They were correct to eliminate gatekeeping measures like the at-home essay and teacher recommendations, but moving to a lottery that includes kids in the 65th percentile is just lunacy.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this on MCPS forum? The right wingers are trying hard to create chaos and destroy public schools.

Yes, they're been pushing the tired narrative that society is in free-fall decline for a while, and unless we embrace their agenda of turning schools into prisons, it's only going to get worse.

Allowing honors classes to be largely made up of kids who have displayed a propensity or interest in higher rigor work now and maintaining that distinction = prison?

Make it make sense.

Using funds allocated for teachers to hire SROs is sure is ... but maybe you haven't noticed the 1000x posts which they seem to start daily on this topic

What does this topic, which is about the elimination of honors classes, have anything to do with security or SROs? Can you read?

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this on MCPS forum? The right wingers are trying hard to create chaos and destroy public schools.

Yes, they're been pushing the tired narrative that society is in free-fall decline for a while, and unless we embrace their agenda of turning schools into prisons, it's only going to get worse.

Allowing honors classes to be largely made up of kids who have displayed a propensity or interest in higher rigor work now and maintaining that distinction = prison?

Make it make sense.

Using funds allocated for teachers to hire SROs is sure is ... but maybe you haven't noticed the 1000x posts which they seem to start daily on this topic

What does this topic, which is about the elimination of honors classes, have anything to do with security or SROs? Can you read?

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS has pretty much done this, though rather than "eliminating" honors, they made it honors-for-all, which accomplishes the same thing. I'm with the critics on this approach. It's wrongheaded and doesn't work.

That's always been the case, though. Even when I was in HS 30 years ago, parents would force the school into admitting kids who didn't belong in these classes forcing them to be dumbed down. Nothing new here.

I think having a few kids who didn't belong forced into an honors class is wildly different from eliminating any qualifier for honors, which basically turns all classes into on-level classes without regard to student aptitude and performance.

In the former, those few students whose parents pushed them in suffer, but the rest of the class who is focuses and interested in learning doesn't. But in the latter, the kids who want to learn and be challenged suffer because now instead of 1 or 2 kids not being able to handle the class, now there's 10 or 15. Those are not the same issues at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this on MCPS forum? The right wingers are trying hard to create chaos and destroy public schools.

Yes, they're been pushing the tired narrative that society is in free-fall decline for a while, and unless we embrace their agenda of turning schools into prisons, it's only going to get worse.

Allowing honors classes to be largely made up of kids who have displayed a propensity or interest in higher rigor work now and maintaining that distinction = prison?

Make it make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this on MCPS forum? The right wingers are trying hard to create chaos and destroy public schools.

Yes, they're been pushing the tired narrative that society is in free-fall decline for a while, and unless we embrace their agenda of turning schools into prisons, it's only going to get worse.

Allowing honors classes to be largely made up of kids who have displayed a propensity or interest in higher rigor work now and maintaining that distinction = prison?

Make it make sense.

Using funds allocated for teachers to hire SROs is sure is ... but maybe you haven't noticed the 1000x posts which they seem to start daily on this topic