Anonymous
02/14/2023 11:34
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Men/boys are the issue. For many of the problems we have today between assaulting women to shootings.
No, look at the study. Most of the problems are socially related - from other girls.
The statistics of violence and assault say something different. I'm not saying girls cannot be problems, as well. But, a girl didn't hold me down by the wrist on a date telling me I "wanted it." And the stats bear that out.
Or calling my daughter a "ho", among other things.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 11:30
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Men/boys are the issue. For many of the problems we have today between assaulting women to shootings.
No, look at the study. Most of the problems are socially related - from other girls.
The statistics of violence and assault say something different. I'm not saying girls cannot be problems, as well. But, a girl didn't hold me down by the wrist on a date telling me I "wanted it." And the stats bear that out.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 11:18
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
How many of these girls have fathers living in their homes?
Another thing that crossed my mind - I may have been "forced" to have sex back in the dark ages of my teenhood, but it may also be that I didn't have the right terminology for it. Date rape was a new thing. We considered sexual assault to be along the lines of a stranger grabbing us around a corner at night. I'm not sure I would have said that I was forced - my own internalized misogyny may have made me feel like I "asked" for it so "deserved" what I got. I would love to see the actual survey questions.
No doubt social media is horrible for developing brains, but there may be other factors at play.
Another thing that crossed my mind - I may have been "forced" to have sex back in the dark ages of my teenhood, but it may also be that I didn't have the right terminology for it. Date rape was a new thing. We considered sexual assault to be along the lines of a stranger grabbing us around a corner at night. I'm not sure I would have said that I was forced - my own internalized misogyny may have made me feel like I "asked" for it so "deserved" what I got. I would love to see the actual survey questions.
No doubt social media is horrible for developing brains, but there may be other factors at play.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 11:07
Subject: Re:How are we going to help these girls
I think partly it's circumstances, social media showing "perfect" lives, seeing what they might be missing out on when friends are posting, etc. It used to be you'd only hear about what others were doing, now you see it in real time.
But I also think there's a social contagion aspect. You have the opposite of perfect also on social media, with attention-seeking illnesses. Remember when it was the internet and anorexia? Those Ana websites showing girls how to not eat, or how to be bulimic? And recently it was Tourette's and tics, now it's a lot of depression and anxiety.
Dropping social stigmas around mental health is a good thing, but there's also young people seeking attention, validation, identity with "illnesses". This was an interesting podcast on the topic: https://www.honestlypod.com/podcast/episode/e8701381/does-glorifying-sickness-deter-healing
(I know Bari Weiss rubs some the wrong way, but I thought her guest, Freddie deBoer - someone with bipolar disorder - had interesting insight on the glorification of mental illness).
But I also think there's a social contagion aspect. You have the opposite of perfect also on social media, with attention-seeking illnesses. Remember when it was the internet and anorexia? Those Ana websites showing girls how to not eat, or how to be bulimic? And recently it was Tourette's and tics, now it's a lot of depression and anxiety.
Dropping social stigmas around mental health is a good thing, but there's also young people seeking attention, validation, identity with "illnesses". This was an interesting podcast on the topic: https://www.honestlypod.com/podcast/episode/e8701381/does-glorifying-sickness-deter-healing
(I know Bari Weiss rubs some the wrong way, but I thought her guest, Freddie deBoer - someone with bipolar disorder - had interesting insight on the glorification of mental illness).
Anonymous
02/14/2023 10:32
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
Anonymous wrote:Men/boys are the issue. For many of the problems we have today between assaulting women to shootings.
No, look at the study. Most of the problems are socially related - from other girls.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 10:20
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
Men/boys are the issue. For many of the problems we have today between assaulting women to shootings.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 10:17
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
Maybe....actually start talking about toxic behavior in boys too.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 10:14
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
Anonymous wrote:How odd this comes from the CDC, the government agency that unnecessarily caused the worst isolation in this generation. We now have confirmed it was unnecessary.
Exactly.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 10:13
Subject: Re:How are we going to help these girls
I would not allow social media. My 13 y/o DS has a phone but not social media.
I heard online time is worse for girls than boys these days. The boys are playing video games with each other which is less damaging than social media and worrying about likes etc.
I heard online time is worse for girls than boys these days. The boys are playing video games with each other which is less damaging than social media and worrying about likes etc.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 09:51
Subject: Re:How are we going to help these girls
Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of this is BS. Yes, these girls are depressed for whatever reason but is it outside the norm for that age? Don't know. Who did these studies in the 70s/80s/90s? Just like kids are coming out as "non-binary," they are also coming out as depressed/assaulted/and whatever else.
Might want to actually read the article or at least the press release. The cdc is documenting a *rise in the number of children, esp girls that are suicidal and or depressed over the many years they have been studying this.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 09:34
Subject: Re:How are we going to help these girls
I think a lot of this is BS. Yes, these girls are depressed for whatever reason but is it outside the norm for that age? Don't know. Who did these studies in the 70s/80s/90s? Just like kids are coming out as "non-binary," they are also coming out as depressed/assaulted/and whatever else.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 09:24
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
Totally agree- this is a problem with boys as much as girls.
Anonymous
02/13/2023 20:15
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
Anonymous wrote:This article says that more teen girls are contemplating suicide and that many are forced to have sex. What can we do as a community to help girls?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/13/health/teen-girls-sadness-suicide-violence.html?action=click&algo=bandit-all-surfaces-variants-shadow-lda-diversify-time-cutoff-30&alpha=0.05&block=trending_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=390232503&impression_id=0298ec38-abda-11ed-a27f-5df14c0ecf0a&index=0&pgtype=Article&pool=pool%2F91fcf81c-4fb0-49ff-bd57-a24647c85ea1®ion=footer&req_id=106031641&shadow_vec_sim=0.27640436023249254&surface=eos-most-popular-story&variant=1_bandit-eng30s-diversify-shadow-lda
I'll say the unpopular thing too: Parents of boys need to teach them better.
Anonymous
02/13/2023 20:14
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
Anonymous wrote:This article says that more teen girls are contemplating suicide and that many are forced to have sex. What can we do as a community to help girls?
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/13/health/teen-girls-sadness-suicide-violence.html?action=click&algo=bandit-all-surfaces-variants-shadow-lda-diversify-time-cutoff-30&alpha=0.05&block=trending_recirc&fellback=false&imp_id=390232503&impression_id=0298ec38-abda-11ed-a27f-5df14c0ecf0a&index=0&pgtype=Article&pool=pool%2F91fcf81c-4fb0-49ff-bd57-a24647c85ea1®ion=footer&req_id=106031641&shadow_vec_sim=0.27640436023249254&surface=eos-most-popular-story&variant=1_bandit-eng30s-diversify-shadow-lda
Monitor (or eliminate) social media.
Quality family time.
Keep her busy (sports, travel, activities).
My DD is way to focused on school and sports to be on SM much and to be dating.
Anonymous
02/13/2023 19:29
Subject: How are we going to help these girls
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Get rid of the internet. It was an interesting experiment and seemed like a good idea. Turns out, it's not. So let's pull the plug, turn it off.
It's more a smartphone and social media issue, not the internet as a whole.
NP here. I have been saying for years that I wish schools would ban cell phones.
It’s not the school’s fault. It’s the parents who give cell phones to their young kids.
Agree 100%
Social media is toxic.
For teen’s developing brains, social media is beyond toxic.
Social media is not sexually assaulting these girls. That was the most distressing part of the study for me. What is causing that increase? I wish they had asked more questions about that.
Thank-you! I