Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 20:09     Subject: BCC teacher has a problem

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the vast majority of the people on this forum are foaming at the mouth at the opportunity to step in and take the place of these teachers. Please, be a part of the solution. Instead of whining on these forums, quit your big law, tech, or sales job. Wake up at 6 am. Deal with 150 teenagers a day and their screaming parents. Coach a team and then drive 75 minutes home up 270 because your $60k / year salary can't buy you anything south of Germantown. The world needs you to step up and take the place of this man you demand be fired.

Don't come between a man and his meal.


There are individuals who have to deal with all of those things and don’t use blatantly racist language such as that. Let’s also recognize the fact that they chose that career as well.

As a Black B-CC alum, there have been many times where my classmates and I reported similar behavior and nothing was done. The teacher was probably warned multiple times. “Don’t come between a man and his meal”? How about not doing things (along with daily microaggressions) that make the people affected feel as though they don’t belong or they can’t succeed, because that line of thinking follows them for years and years. When these complaints are made, they should be taken with the highest seriousness. The drawbacks of the job or “can you do what they do” aren’t an excuse.


If we read the original post...

This morning parents received an email from the principal telling us that a teacher had told black students in his class that he could not tell them apart. The email, which of course was written or edited by the central office, further stated that they were "investigating," blah blah blah.

The email, and the lack of immediate action, made me want to vomit. Is this 2023? Have we somehow completely lost our way? The only solution, if this is true, is to fire the teacher. Do not send him to a DEI training, do not reassign him to a different MCPS school, do not pass go. No adult who interacts daily with CHILDREN should have such crap coming out of his mouth.

My kid just got home and said the teacher lacks a filter (based on DC's personal knowledge) and that teacher was, in fact, fired. I hope this is true.

...

It's quite vague exactly what all of this means. I read this as a teacher, speaking to two students, said that he had trouble distinguishing one of them from the other. But again. I restate my original claim. The county needs teachers. Please, step up and take this man's spot. Do whatever he had to do to obtain the position necessary to teach this class (degrees and all) and then take a $60,000 / year job.

My argument is don't be overly critical of a job that sucks. People are nicer to service staff than they are teachers who give their child a bad grade.


Reading comprehension is absolutely critical, yet lacking here. I understand the job is hard and that we have a shortage of teachers right now. I come from a family of public servants, including teachers. What I am saying is that the level of difficulty of a job doesn’t call for lack of accountability. It’s not about whether we’re being nice to the teacher or not. It’s the fact that this absolutely isn’t the first time this has happened at B-CC, and it turns off many families who want to move here, not just BIPOC families. Going through a grueling process doesn’t just mean that you get to say any and everything. Maybe I’m in a job I don’t particularly like - that doesn’t mean that I go out of my way to make others feel uncomfortable. The claim you are making is not only dismissing the gravity of what was said, but how it affects those the comment was directed to.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 20:07     Subject: Re:BCC teacher has a problem

They don't fire teachers immediately for this sort of thing. They put them on administrative leave long enough for people to move on and then put them back, quietly, in another school where people are less likely to complain.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 20:03     Subject: BCC teacher has a problem

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the vast majority of the people on this forum are foaming at the mouth at the opportunity to step in and take the place of these teachers. Please, be a part of the solution. Instead of whining on these forums, quit your big law, tech, or sales job. Wake up at 6 am. Deal with 150 teenagers a day and their screaming parents. Coach a team and then drive 75 minutes home up 270 because your $60k / year salary can't buy you anything south of Germantown. The world needs you to step up and take the place of this man you demand be fired.

Don't come between a man and his meal.


There are individuals who have to deal with all of those things and don’t use blatantly racist language such as that. Let’s also recognize the fact that they chose that career as well.

As a Black B-CC alum, there have been many times where my classmates and I reported similar behavior and nothing was done. The teacher was probably warned multiple times. “Don’t come between a man and his meal”? How about not doing things (along with daily microaggressions) that make the people affected feel as though they don’t belong or they can’t succeed, because that line of thinking follows them for years and years. When these complaints are made, they should be taken with the highest seriousness. The drawbacks of the job or “can you do what they do” aren’t an excuse.


If we read the original post...

This morning parents received an email from the principal telling us that a teacher had told black students in his class that he could not tell them apart. The email, which of course was written or edited by the central office, further stated that they were "investigating," blah blah blah.

The email, and the lack of immediate action, made me want to vomit. Is this 2023? Have we somehow completely lost our way? The only solution, if this is true, is to fire the teacher. Do not send him to a DEI training, do not reassign him to a different MCPS school, do not pass go. No adult who interacts daily with CHILDREN should have such crap coming out of his mouth.

My kid just got home and said the teacher lacks a filter (based on DC's personal knowledge) and that teacher was, in fact, fired. I hope this is true.

...

It's quite vague exactly what all of this means. I read this as a teacher, speaking to two students, said that he had trouble distinguishing one of them from the other. But again. I restate my original claim. The county needs teachers. Please, step up and take this man's spot. Do whatever he had to do to obtain the position necessary to teach this class (degrees and all) and then take a $60,000 / year job.

My argument is don't be overly critical of a job that sucks. People are nicer to service staff than they are teachers who give their child a bad grade.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:59     Subject: Re:BCC teacher has a problem

Anonymous wrote:My favorite high school teacher (had her for 3 years across multiple science courses) called me by a name that was slightly different than my own. Think of the commonly confused names common to white people (ya know where you change a letter or two). I was a white student and she was a white teacher, so let's assume racism wasn't at play here.

I never had the heart to correct her. She was caring, kind, energetic, patient, and put forth an incredible amount of effort every day. I could forgive this minor incursion because she had a heart of gold and was incredibly competent. She was my first AP teacher and I cruised to a 5 thanks to her lead.

WTF is wrong with everyone these days? Not everything is an intentional micro-aggression that demands someone be fired immediately. High Schoolers are tough creatures. They look for opportunities to disparage any teacher that makes them do work that they don't like. It is the wisdom of the county to succumb to their every demand because they video-taped something possible out of context and out of character? BCC has lost several competent and experienced teachers over the past decade as students have purposefully "baited" them into such situations. There is a sick power dynamic emerging where students can trap teachers into these discussions.

Seriously, think back to being a teenager? Remember trying to get the teacher off topic for the day so that you wouldn't have any homework? Oh boy was it fun! Find a trigger point for a teacher and get them going on that topic.

Nowadays, you don't even have to fish for these topics. The county provides them through consultants who present language so exciting that FOX news and CNN have to run specials on it. Gosh what I would've done with the opportunity to "poke the bear" of so many teachers with this wonderful set of ammunition. My inner child is elated just thinking about what I could have done!


The trigger is being one of multiple Black kids in the class.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:59     Subject: Re:BCC teacher has a problem

Anonymous wrote:My favorite high school teacher (had her for 3 years across multiple science courses) called me by a name that was slightly different than my own. Think of the commonly confused names common to white people (ya know where you change a letter or two). I was a white student and she was a white teacher, so let's assume racism wasn't at play here.

I never had the heart to correct her. She was caring, kind, energetic, patient, and put forth an incredible amount of effort every day. I could forgive this minor incursion because she had a heart of gold and was incredibly competent. She was my first AP teacher and I cruised to a 5 thanks to her lead.

WTF is wrong with everyone these days? Not everything is an intentional micro-aggression that demands someone be fired immediately. High Schoolers are tough creatures. They look for opportunities to disparage any teacher that makes them do work that they don't like. It is the wisdom of the county to succumb to their every demand because they video-taped something possible out of context and out of character? BCC has lost several competent and experienced teachers over the past decade as students have purposefully "baited" them into such situations. There is a sick power dynamic emerging where students can trap teachers into these discussions.

Seriously, think back to being a teenager? Remember trying to get the teacher off topic for the day so that you wouldn't have any homework? Oh boy was it fun! Find a trigger point for a teacher and get them going on that topic.

Nowadays, you don't even have to fish for these topics. The county provides them through consultants who present language so exciting that FOX news and CNN have to run specials on it. Gosh what I would've done with the opportunity to "poke the bear" of so many teachers with this wonderful set of ammunition. My inner child is elated just thinking about what I could have done!


Saying “all of you people from a certain group look the same” is probably one of the most common microaggressions out there. Your point?
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:58     Subject: Re:BCC teacher has a problem

Anonymous wrote:My favorite high school teacher (had her for 3 years across multiple science courses) called me by a name that was slightly different than my own. Think of the commonly confused names common to white people (ya know where you change a letter or two). I was a white student and she was a white teacher, so let's assume racism wasn't at play here.

I never had the heart to correct her. She was caring, kind, energetic, patient, and put forth an incredible amount of effort every day. I could forgive this minor incursion because she had a heart of gold and was incredibly competent. She was my first AP teacher and I cruised to a 5 thanks to her lead.

WTF is wrong with everyone these days? Not everything is an intentional micro-aggression that demands someone be fired immediately. High Schoolers are tough creatures. They look for opportunities to disparage any teacher that makes them do work that they don't like. It is the wisdom of the county to succumb to their every demand because they video-taped something possible out of context and out of character? BCC has lost several competent and experienced teachers over the past decade as students have purposefully "baited" them into such situations. There is a sick power dynamic emerging where students can trap teachers into these discussions.

Seriously, think back to being a teenager? Remember trying to get the teacher off topic for the day so that you wouldn't have any homework? Oh boy was it fun! Find a trigger point for a teacher and get them going on that topic.

Nowadays, you don't even have to fish for these topics. The county provides them through consultants who present language so exciting that FOX news and CNN have to run specials on it. Gosh what I would've done with the opportunity to "poke the bear" of so many teachers with this wonderful set of ammunition. My inner child is elated just thinking about what I could have done!


If this was a teacher who was amazing for all students, the kids wouldn’t have complained. They are incredibly forgiving when the teachers are wonderful. This is likely a teacher who was only good for certain students or maybe not good for anyone at all.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:58     Subject: BCC teacher has a problem

Anonymous wrote:I'm sure the vast majority of the people on this forum are foaming at the mouth at the opportunity to step in and take the place of these teachers. Please, be a part of the solution. Instead of whining on these forums, quit your big law, tech, or sales job. Wake up at 6 am. Deal with 150 teenagers a day and their screaming parents. Coach a team and then drive 75 minutes home up 270 because your $60k / year salary can't buy you anything south of Germantown. The world needs you to step up and take the place of this man you demand be fired.

Don't come between a man and his meal.


There are individuals who have to deal with all of those things and don’t use blatantly racist language such as that. Let’s also recognize the fact that they chose that career as well.

As a Black B-CC alum, there have been many times where my classmates and I reported similar behavior and nothing was done. The teacher was probably warned multiple times. “Don’t come between a man and his meal”? How about not doing things (along with daily microaggressions) that make the people affected feel as though they don’t belong or they can’t succeed, because that line of thinking follows them for years and years. When these complaints are made, they should be taken with the highest seriousness. The drawbacks of the job or “can you do what they do” aren’t an excuse.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:56     Subject: BCC teacher has a problem

Anonymous wrote:Nobody should be fired for a slip of the tongue.


That’s not a slip of the tongue. That’s racism stuck in your teeth.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:55     Subject: Re:BCC teacher has a problem

My favorite high school teacher (had her for 3 years across multiple science courses) called me by a name that was slightly different than my own. Think of the commonly confused names common to white people (ya know where you change a letter or two). I was a white student and she was a white teacher, so let's assume racism wasn't at play here.

I never had the heart to correct her. She was caring, kind, energetic, patient, and put forth an incredible amount of effort every day. I could forgive this minor incursion because she had a heart of gold and was incredibly competent. She was my first AP teacher and I cruised to a 5 thanks to her lead.

WTF is wrong with everyone these days? Not everything is an intentional micro-aggression that demands someone be fired immediately. High Schoolers are tough creatures. They look for opportunities to disparage any teacher that makes them do work that they don't like. It is the wisdom of the county to succumb to their every demand because they video-taped something possible out of context and out of character? BCC has lost several competent and experienced teachers over the past decade as students have purposefully "baited" them into such situations. There is a sick power dynamic emerging where students can trap teachers into these discussions.

Seriously, think back to being a teenager? Remember trying to get the teacher off topic for the day so that you wouldn't have any homework? Oh boy was it fun! Find a trigger point for a teacher and get them going on that topic.

Nowadays, you don't even have to fish for these topics. The county provides them through consultants who present language so exciting that FOX news and CNN have to run specials on it. Gosh what I would've done with the opportunity to "poke the bear" of so many teachers with this wonderful set of ammunition. My inner child is elated just thinking about what I could have done!
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:55     Subject: BCC teacher has a problem

Anonymous wrote:This morning parents received an email from the principal telling us that a teacher had told black students in his class that he could not tell them apart. The email, which of course was written or edited by the central office, further stated that they were "investigating," blah blah blah.

The email, and the lack of immediate action, made me want to vomit. Is this 2023? Have we somehow completely lost our way? The only solution, if this is true, is to fire the teacher. Do not send him to a DEI training, do not reassign him to a different MCPS school, do not pass go. No adult who interacts daily with CHILDREN should have such crap coming out of his mouth.

My kid just got home and said the teacher lacks a filter (based on DC's personal knowledge) and that teacher was, in fact, fired. I hope this is true.


It takes a long time to terminate a teacher unfortunately.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:53     Subject: BCC teacher has a problem

I am a teacher. I am not perfect. Sometimes my jokes and humor can be poor. But generally I have enough social skills to avoid knowingly offending someone. That said there are certainly teachers that miss social cues. Have disabilities that prevent easy connections with students. Often times these disorders develop over time. Older staff can have more trouble building relationships. Not their fault. It’s just harder after you have been doing thing s a certain way for decades. There are so many generational disconnects between older teachers and young students. Landmines that teachers are not aware of. I remember a teacher getting in trouble for using the word thug. At least for a while this was equivalent to the n-word amount AA groups. The teacher had no clue and got in trouble for using it. No one would tell him what he did wrong until I (a much younger teacher) explained the issue to him.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:42     Subject: Re:BCC teacher has a problem

Anonymous wrote:I'm practically face blind. I can't recognize people I know well. I just don't say it in racial terms.


I mean, it's actual science that people struggle to differentiate between individuals from racial/ethnic groups with which they do not interact often. That's true across ethnic groups, not just white folks being bad at telling Black/Latino/Asian people apart.

However, in 2023, a teacher should understand not to say the racialized part out loud. They should just try harder to overcome the natural human conditioning, and/or diversify their life a little.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:33     Subject: Re:BCC teacher has a problem

I'm practically face blind. I can't recognize people I know well. I just don't say it in racial terms.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:29     Subject: BCC teacher has a problem

BCC is a reasonably diverse school and there is a LOT of social justice activism among the student body. I'd be shocked if a teacher there said something so truly offensive and ignorant. Also there's nothing yet from the BCC PTA, which is surprising - I'd expect them to be communicating to the whole school about something like this to minimize the rumor mill.
Anonymous
Post 02/10/2023 19:27     Subject: BCC teacher has a problem

Crazy to fire teachers any time they say the slightest thing. If he is a good teacher, he should be reprimanded, and allowed to continue to teach. There aren’t that many good teachers, and there will be fewer with this zero-tolerance gestapo attitude.