Anonymous
01/26/2023 12:35
Subject: Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader goes to a school with CES. He is not in CES.
For 4th grader CES classes, each class has the same teacher all day, for all subjects. They have enriched ELA but NOT math. All of the CES classes are taught standard 4th grade math, with enrichment available.
For standard 4th grade classes, half of the teachers (2 of 4) specialize in math and the other half specialize in ELA. The kids in 4/5 math (determined by MAP-M scores in Third grade - they took the highest map-m scores of 48 kids - 2 classes worth) take up two classes and have the math specialists as their home room teachers. They switch classrooms for ELA. The kids who are in standard 4th grade math (2 classrooms) have the ELA specialists for home room and switch classrooms for math.
Is your 4th grader's class reading novels/books in ELA or doing just the Benchmark-type stuff that, at least for us in 3rd grade, is more about reading short stories, etc. in those newspaper-looking pamphlets.
Anonymous
01/26/2023 11:39
Subject: Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone know the criteria for math 4/5 in 4th grade qualification? Thanks
the general rule of thumb in years past was 220+ on the MAP-M for entry into compacted 4
That is not true! Plenty of kids with lower scores were admitted
Yeah, it depends on the school.
Yes, I heard at the wealthy Potomac schools, you can sikp compacted and even take Algebra if you score the 90%.
that doesn't make sense since ESs don't offer algebra. please don't make things up.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 21:29
Subject: Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:If your child is not in compacted math in 4th grade, can they move up in 5th grade if they do well throughout 4th grade?
They are supposed to be able to, but I would strongly recommend that you talk to the school in the spring of 4th grade and confirm that they will be in 5/6, so that you can review the first half of 5th grade math with your child in the summer before 5th grade. At our school, kids scored high enough on the MAP at the end of 4th to move to 5/6, but the parents didn't realize this and it wasn't until the fall that they discussed moving to 5/6. At that point, kids did not have time to catch up, which is the excuse the school used to keep them in math 5.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 21:21
Subject: Math 4/5 criteria?
If your child is not in compacted math in 4th grade, can they move up in 5th grade if they do well throughout 4th grade?
Anonymous
01/25/2023 21:03
Subject: Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:My 4th grader goes to a school with CES. He is not in CES.
For 4th grader CES classes, each class has the same teacher all day, for all subjects. They have enriched ELA but NOT math. All of the CES classes are taught standard 4th grade math, with enrichment available.
For standard 4th grade classes, half of the teachers (2 of 4) specialize in math and the other half specialize in ELA. The kids in 4/5 math (determined by MAP-M scores in Third grade - they took the highest map-m scores of 48 kids - 2 classes worth) take up two classes and have the math specialists as their home room teachers. They switch classrooms for ELA. The kids who are in standard 4th grade math (2 classrooms) have the ELA specialists for home room and switch classrooms for math.
That process is completely different from how our school does it, which underscores that there is no requirement from central office; each school implements its own standards. OP, you would do better to ask your school administration and other parents at your school.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 20:19
Subject: Math 4/5 criteria?
My 4th grader goes to a school with CES. He is not in CES.
For 4th grader CES classes, each class has the same teacher all day, for all subjects. They have enriched ELA but NOT math. All of the CES classes are taught standard 4th grade math, with enrichment available.
For standard 4th grade classes, half of the teachers (2 of 4) specialize in math and the other half specialize in ELA. The kids in 4/5 math (determined by MAP-M scores in Third grade - they took the highest map-m scores of 48 kids - 2 classes worth) take up two classes and have the math specialists as their home room teachers. They switch classrooms for ELA. The kids who are in standard 4th grade math (2 classrooms) have the ELA specialists for home room and switch classrooms for math.
For 4th grader CES classes, each class has the same teacher all day, for all subjects. They have enriched ELA but NOT math. All of the CES classes are taught standard 4th grade math, with enrichment available.
For standard 4th grade classes, half of the teachers (2 of 4) specialize in math and the other half specialize in ELA. The kids in 4/5 math (determined by MAP-M scores in Third grade - they took the highest map-m scores of 48 kids - 2 classes worth) take up two classes and have the math specialists as their home room teachers. They switch classrooms for ELA. The kids who are in standard 4th grade math (2 classrooms) have the ELA specialists for home room and switch classrooms for math.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 20:02
Subject: Re:Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MAP M has questions beyond what’s taught in the grade level. So for example a 3rd grader will have questions on reducing fractions, unit rate, angles, and some algebra. By definition only the kids who have outside enrichment are able to score high. Our W feeder school, has many kids who get enrichment outside and of school, rsm, kumon, mathnasium etc but those are not the majority. So it’s hard to believe that majority of the kids in affluent areas are scoring in the high 90’s. Most people on dcum say their kids have 99th percentile, it can’t be true by definition of 99th percentile.
My DC is in CES 5th grade, he has plenty of kids in his math 5/6 now scoring in 220+ which is not 99th percentile. Which means they scored lower in 3rd yet still got inti math 4/5 as 4th graders. So please understand that dcum is not a place where people are honest about their children’s scores.
In our CES school’s program, everyone does compacted math regardless of score. Not the case for kids outside CES at our school.
That's not actually true. In fact, it's the exact opposite. CES and compacted math selection are unrelated.
You’re right but you’re wrong. Yes, different criteria are used to get INTO the CES program. But at the CES program where my child went, all CES kids were automatically placed in compacted math.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 19:58
Subject: Re:Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MAP M has questions beyond what’s taught in the grade level. So for example a 3rd grader will have questions on reducing fractions, unit rate, angles, and some algebra. By definition only the kids who have outside enrichment are able to score high. Our W feeder school, has many kids who get enrichment outside and of school, rsm, kumon, mathnasium etc but those are not the majority. So it’s hard to believe that majority of the kids in affluent areas are scoring in the high 90’s. Most people on dcum say their kids have 99th percentile, it can’t be true by definition of 99th percentile.
My DC is in CES 5th grade, he has plenty of kids in his math 5/6 now scoring in 220+ which is not 99th percentile. Which means they scored lower in 3rd yet still got inti math 4/5 as 4th graders. So please understand that dcum is not a place where people are honest about their children’s scores.
In our CES school’s program, everyone does compacted math regardless of score. Not the case for kids outside CES at our school.
That's not actually true. In fact, it's the exact opposite. CES and compacted math selection are unrelated.
In theory. but at our school they will not schedule a CES kids into a general-education class. That means they all take compacted. May diffeeent at other schools, but that is definitely how ours operates
Anonymous
01/25/2023 19:45
Subject: Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone know the criteria for math 4/5 in 4th grade qualification? Thanks
the general rule of thumb in years past was 220+ on the MAP-M for entry into compacted 4
That is not true! Plenty of kids with lower scores were admitted
Yeah, it depends on the school.
Yes, I heard at the wealthy Potomac schools, you can sikp compacted and even take Algebra if you score the 90%.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 19:43
Subject: Re:Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MAP M has questions beyond what’s taught in the grade level. So for example a 3rd grader will have questions on reducing fractions, unit rate, angles, and some algebra. By definition only the kids who have outside enrichment are able to score high. Our W feeder school, has many kids who get enrichment outside and of school, rsm, kumon, mathnasium etc but those are not the majority. So it’s hard to believe that majority of the kids in affluent areas are scoring in the high 90’s. Most people on dcum say their kids have 99th percentile, it can’t be true by definition of 99th percentile.
My DC is in CES 5th grade, he has plenty of kids in his math 5/6 now scoring in 220+ which is not 99th percentile. Which means they scored lower in 3rd yet still got inti math 4/5 as 4th graders. So please understand that dcum is not a place where people are honest about their children’s scores.
In our CES school’s program, everyone does compacted math regardless of score. Not the case for kids outside CES at our school.
That's not actually true. In fact, it's the exact opposite. CES and compacted math selection are unrelated.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 19:11
Subject: Re:Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting how everyone is guessing and no one knows anything
That’s because this is handled by local schools, so the criteria will vary.
+1 Also, because the criteria is a moving target so folks whose kids got in with Xth percentile score three years ago don't have much insight into the process as it stands today, or for kids starting next year.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 18:20
Subject: Re:Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MAP M has questions beyond what’s taught in the grade level. So for example a 3rd grader will have questions on reducing fractions, unit rate, angles, and some algebra. By definition only the kids who have outside enrichment are able to score high. Our W feeder school, has many kids who get enrichment outside and of school, rsm, kumon, mathnasium etc but those are not the majority. So it’s hard to believe that majority of the kids in affluent areas are scoring in the high 90’s. Most people on dcum say their kids have 99th percentile, it can’t be true by definition of 99th percentile.
My DC is in CES 5th grade, he has plenty of kids in his math 5/6 now scoring in 220+ which is not 99th percentile. Which means they scored lower in 3rd yet still got inti math 4/5 as 4th graders. So please understand that dcum is not a place where people are honest about their children’s scores.
In our CES school’s program, everyone does compacted math regardless of score. Not the case for kids outside CES at our school.
Oops that should read that at our school, which hosts a CES, all CES kids are placed in compacted math regardless of grades and test scores because they don’t have an on-level option. That is not the case for kids in the general education program, which uses grades and test scores to determine placement.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 18:12
Subject: Re:Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:Interesting how everyone is guessing and no one knows anything
That’s because this is handled by local schools, so the criteria will vary.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 18:11
Subject: Re:Math 4/5 criteria?
Anonymous wrote:MAP M has questions beyond what’s taught in the grade level. So for example a 3rd grader will have questions on reducing fractions, unit rate, angles, and some algebra. By definition only the kids who have outside enrichment are able to score high. Our W feeder school, has many kids who get enrichment outside and of school, rsm, kumon, mathnasium etc but those are not the majority. So it’s hard to believe that majority of the kids in affluent areas are scoring in the high 90’s. Most people on dcum say their kids have 99th percentile, it can’t be true by definition of 99th percentile.
My DC is in CES 5th grade, he has plenty of kids in his math 5/6 now scoring in 220+ which is not 99th percentile. Which means they scored lower in 3rd yet still got inti math 4/5 as 4th graders. So please understand that dcum is not a place where people are honest about their children’s scores.
In our CES school’s program, everyone does compacted math regardless of score. Not the case for kids outside CES at our school.
Anonymous
01/25/2023 16:52
Subject: Re:Math 4/5 criteria?
Interesting how everyone is guessing and no one knows anything