Anonymous
Post 01/26/2023 03:00     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hate lumping all these students as special needs. There needs to be different categories - category 1 with kids who have special needs that cause them to have negative behavior and category 2 with kids with special needs that only affect them academically but not behaviorally. Can we stop calling both groups kids with special needs? They are vastly different


In the olden days (the 80's) the label was SEM, socially and emotionally maladjusted. I'm fairly certain that category is no longer used.

Why did they get rid of that category? It needs to be brought back.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 22:52     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:I hate lumping all these students as special needs. There needs to be different categories - category 1 with kids who have special needs that cause them to have negative behavior and category 2 with kids with special needs that only affect them academically but not behaviorally. Can we stop calling both groups kids with special needs? They are vastly different


In the olden days (the 80's) the label was SEM, socially and emotionally maladjusted. I'm fairly certain that category is no longer used.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 22:28     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Not guns, not IDEA and not Covid. Gross negligence on the part of school administrators who were warned several times over he course of many hours that the child had a gun and who ignored it because his “pockets were too small.” He showed it to a kid on the playground and threatened to kill him if he told, the boy ran in tears, told a teacher, and still nothing was done. If this was my child’s school I wouldn’t stop until that principal was in jail.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 22:14     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fact: more SN students now than ever before (why? Covid? Other? Dont know and don't care - the fact is there are more SN students in our schools now than before)

Fact: there aren't enough special educators left to serve all those students. Many have burned out. Teaching special ed online is beyond a nightmare. The paperwork involved is overwhelming, and there isn't time built into the day to do it.

Fact: there are many long-term subs teaching in special ed right now. They are not equipped to handle the needs of their students

As a parent who had a child get an IEP post COVID. What COVID provided was insight into all the lies that school was telling us regarding our child.
Seeing what the actual day looked like - how much my child was behind. They kept telling us that he was in the range - he was no where near grade level and we were able to identify the problem and get the services that the school probably should have been providing before COVID.


Didn’t you have an idea with standardized testing?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 21:33     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:Some kids are violent because of genetics, even with the best of parents.

Drug/alcohol use during pregnancy would be considered genetics?
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 21:30     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:Fact: more SN students now than ever before (why? Covid? Other? Dont know and don't care - the fact is there are more SN students in our schools now than before)

Fact: there aren't enough special educators left to serve all those students. Many have burned out. Teaching special ed online is beyond a nightmare. The paperwork involved is overwhelming, and there isn't time built into the day to do it.

Fact: there are many long-term subs teaching in special ed right now. They are not equipped to handle the needs of their students

As a parent who had a child get an IEP post COVID. What COVID provided was insight into all the lies that school was telling us regarding our child.
Seeing what the actual day looked like - how much my child was behind. They kept telling us that he was in the range - he was no where near grade level and we were able to identify the problem and get the services that the school probably should have been providing before COVID.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 21:25     Subject: Re:Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There needs to be an IDEA exception to violent behavior. I can't believe we evacuate classrooms while a child is destroying the room and pay no mind to the psychology damage we are doing to regular students.


There is another thread on this now that is great. I think it is in “school age children.”


It’s in “Elementary School Aged Children” and it was started by a.
new teacher. It is an AMA called “Starting work with school aged children last week. Shocked and sad.”
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 21:23     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Fact: more SN students now than ever before (why? Covid? Other? Dont know and don't care - the fact is there are more SN students in our schools now than before)

Fact: there aren't enough special educators left to serve all those students. Many have burned out. Teaching special ed online is beyond a nightmare. The paperwork involved is overwhelming, and there isn't time built into the day to do it.

Fact: there are many long-term subs teaching in special ed right now. They are not equipped to handle the needs of their students
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 21:20     Subject: Re:Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:There needs to be an IDEA exception to violent behavior. I can't believe we evacuate classrooms while a child is destroying the room and pay no mind to the psychology damage we are doing to regular students.


There is another thread on this now that is great. I think it is in “school age children.”
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 19:36     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Some kids are violent because of genetics, even with the best of parents.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 18:36     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
40 years ago, my mom was a special ed aid in a classroom with social and emotionally disturbed middle schoolers. It was dangerous work and not a new problem.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 11:46     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Three things are true:
1.These issues predate Biden/Trump/Obama in my personal experience
2. Some kids are violent regardless of parenting
3. Owning a gun in this situation was bad parenting
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 09:15     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No, IDEA did not cause the school shooting. GUNS caused the school shooting. The FAILURE to implement IDEA correctly caused this child to be in general ed without the 1:1 he clearly needed.

Harsh discipline *does not help* kids with aggression problems. Especially very young children who clearly have something developmental going on. Harsh discipline (such as suspension & expulsion) does have a role for older kids. But not 6 year olds.


Wrong , someone needs to parent the child


I mean go ahead and believe that, it's not going to solve any problems.
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 09:13     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:No, IDEA did not cause the school shooting. GUNS caused the school shooting. The FAILURE to implement IDEA correctly caused this child to be in general ed without the 1:1 he clearly needed.

Harsh discipline *does not help* kids with aggression problems. Especially very young children who clearly have something developmental going on. Harsh discipline (such as suspension & expulsion) does have a role for older kids. But not 6 year olds.


Wrong , someone needs to parent the child
Anonymous
Post 01/25/2023 09:13     Subject: Did changes to IDEA cause the Newport News shooting?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:was the newport news shooter special needs?

The parents claim he was special needs. The parents had to attend class with him presumably to keep his behavior in check. I don't know why they weren't with him that day. He was violent in the classroom too. Very troubled student.

I hate lumping all these students as special needs. There needs to be different categories - category 1 with kids who have special needs that cause them to have negative behavior and category 2 with kids with special needs that only affect them academically but not behaviorally. Can we stop calling both groups kids with special needs? They are vastly different


This is a cop out, child wasn't special needs, very violent behavior learned from at home


False. A child with "very violent behavior" should qualify for an IEP under the Emotional Disturbance category.