Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gosh, whatever will we talk about, then?

And how will strivers know where to apply?

Outside of the Ivies, MIT, and Stanford the rest of the schools aren’t changing your kid’s life, no matter how far they scam their way up the list, so what was even the debate. Status obsessed proles arguing and debating meaningless nonsense. And it’s almost always middle class strivers with a kid at middling Northwestern or some degree mill public college who are the most obsessed with that rankings crap.

Middling Northwestern? The Midwest hating psycho has returned.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gosh, whatever will we talk about, then?

And how will strivers know where to apply?

Outside of the Ivies, MIT, and Stanford the rest of the schools aren’t changing your kid’s life, no matter how far they scam their way up the list, so what was even the debate. Status obsessed proles arguing and debating meaningless nonsense. And it’s almost always middle class strivers with a kid at middling Northwestern or some degree mill public college who are the most obsessed with that rankings crap.

I think you meant to say HYPSM…

Probably went to a lower tier Ivy

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gosh, whatever will we talk about, then?

And how will strivers know where to apply?

Outside of the Ivies, MIT, and Stanford the rest of the schools aren’t changing your kid’s life, no matter how far they scam their way up the list, so what was even the debate. Status obsessed proles arguing and debating meaningless nonsense. And it’s almost always middle class strivers with a kid at middling Northwestern or some degree mill public college who are the most obsessed with that rankings crap.

I think you meant to say HYPSM…

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gosh, whatever will we talk about, then?

And how will strivers know where to apply?

Outside of the Ivies, MIT, and Stanford the rest of the schools aren’t changing your kid’s life, no matter how far they scam their way up the list, so what was even the debate. Status obsessed proles arguing and debating meaningless nonsense. And it’s almost always middle class strivers with a kid at middling Northwestern or some degree mill public college who are the most obsessed with that rankings crap.

https://collegescorecard.ed.gov/school/?166027-Harvard-University&fos_code=2301&fos_credential=3
Harvard English = $43,842

Majors matter much more than any of the school brand for middle class.

Anonymous wrote:Gosh, whatever will we talk about, then?

And how will strivers know where to apply?

Outside of the Ivies, MIT, and Stanford the rest of the schools aren’t changing your kid’s life, no matter how far they scam their way up the list, so what was even the debate. Status obsessed proles arguing and debating meaningless nonsense. And it’s almost always middle class strivers with a kid at middling Northwestern or some degree mill public college who are the most obsessed with that rankings crap.

Standardized tests discriminate against low-income and disadvantaged students. But "Dropping the SAT, it turns out, actually hurts low-income students, rather than helping them."
(https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/04/mit-admissions-reinstates-sat-act-tests/629455/). That's because other factors discriminate even more.

Similarly, USNWR rankings are quite lousy in many ways. But without some rankings, kids from already advantaged families will know which schools to aim for, but it will be harder for kids whose parents aren't in the know to find out which are the "best" colleges. Hopefully this will result not in a lack of rankings, but better rankings.

Anonymous wrote:Thankfully, no.

US News shares a great deal of information beyond the rankings which form the basis for reasonable comparison among hundreds of colleges and universities.

US News provides both objective & subjective information about schools. How one uses or misuses that information is an individual matter.

"How one uses or misuses that information is an individual matter."

The problem with this is that the rankings have been the biggest contributor to creating an environment in which kids genuinely believe there are absolutes about which colleges are better than others. This has led to epic amounts of anxiety about having to be perfect in everything they do so they don't jeopardize any opportunities. To say this is the fault of each individual teen is to expect them to realize something they're not emotionally or intellectually experienced enough to understand.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gosh, whatever will we talk about, then?

And how will strivers know where to apply?

Have you noticed that no one responds to likes your use of the word “striver” ? And tgst you are the only one to use it? Did it ever occur to you that it is offensive? Every single parent reading the College forum here is a “striver” as you put it because they want only the best for their kids even if that means all they can afford is community college. So you are insulting all of us with your sarcasm

Of course they know striver is offensive. I'm a different poster and there is a difference between strivers and those wanting the best for their kids. There are lots of strivers on this board.

By definition.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Gosh, whatever will we talk about, then?

And how will strivers know where to apply?

Have you noticed that no one responds to likes your use of the word “striver” ? And tgst you are the only one to use it? Did it ever occur to you that it is offensive? Every single parent reading the College forum here is a “striver” as you put it because they want only the best for their kids even if that means all they can afford is community college. So you are insulting all of us with your sarcasm

Of course they know striver is offensive. I'm a different poster and there is a difference between strivers and those wanting the best for their kids. There are lots of strivers on this board.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The essay below has been linked in a few other threads, so you may have seen it already. If not, it's an interesting piece about the direction rankings ought to take once USNWR does fall apart.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/blog/

Thank you. This is very helpful.

You're welcome. My kids definitely looked at the upcoming decisions differently after seeing the data and lists on that website. The Lists section was probably the most useful for them.

Another source I like for lists as research starters is Collegexpress.com.

Anonymous wrote:Lol. Regrettably people are going to remain obsessed with rankings, and this one in particular.

+1

Even if not this particular ranking, people who do not know so much about US colleges will be obsessed with rankings.

Much like the student poster who explained that ultimately, the sticker on your parents car is what matters to some people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The essay below has been linked in a few other threads, so you may have seen it already. If not, it's an interesting piece about the direction rankings ought to take once USNWR does fall apart.

https://lesshighschoolstress.com/blog/

Thank you. This is very helpful.

You're welcome. My kids definitely looked at the upcoming decisions differently after seeing the data and lists on that website. The Lists section was probably the most useful for them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thankfully, no.

US News shares a great deal of information beyond the rankings which form the basis for reasonable comparison among hundreds of colleges and universities.

US News provides both objective & subjective information about schools. How one uses or misuses that information is an individual matter.

Most of that info is available from sources like College Navigator. The only data USNWR adds is their bogus reputation survey.

I don't want to navigate 3000 schools

You don't have to navigate 3000 schools. College Navigator has a lot of filters -- figure by geography, a few majors of interest, preferred setting (rural, suburban, city), size, an acceptance range, minimum SAT scores and you pretty quickly can have a focused list to look at more closely. I do wish they would add a filter for retention and graduation rates because those were important filters in our initial searches but you can export a list and that will have those fields to sort by.

I'm pretty open despends on the qulaity of the school in term of size, location, etc. etc.
So a lot of work for me in that way

No. As noted above, only the grad school rankings were the issue. We don't see significant schools pulling out of the undergrad ranking.

Moreover, US News can still rank schools even without information from the school. Much is publicly available. If US News absolutely had to, they would simply re-work their formula to use only publicly-available info (and perhaps that would not be a bad thing at all).

Anonymous wrote:Gosh, whatever will we talk about, then?

And how will strivers know where to apply?

Have you noticed that no one responds to likes your use of the word “striver” ? And tgst you are the only one to use it? Did it ever occur to you that it is offensive? Every single parent reading the College forum here is a “striver” as you put it because they want only the best for their kids even if that means all they can afford is community college. So you are insulting all of us with your sarcasm