Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 10:32     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
What about Esquire. My horrible first job required men to be listed as esq. and women as ‘attorney at law’.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 10:31     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Anonymous wrote:This thread is nonsense. You are only a lawyer when you are licensed . Graduating law school doesn’t make you a lawyer


+1
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 10:28     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Famous example: would you call Stephen Glass a lawyer? He graduated from law school but due to his personal history (and also lack of candor with the Bar) he has been refused admission to the Bar. He works as a paralegal. He'd very likely get in a lot of trouble if he went around saying he was a lawyer, particularly in a professional context.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 10:25     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Yeah in practice it really doesn't matter. I know someone who graduated from law school but never passed the bar and doesn't work in the field. They don't call themselves a lawyer. They can't legally practice law.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 09:45     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Anonymous wrote:Y’all are insufferable good lord.


This is correct.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 09:42     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
This thread is nonsense. You are only a lawyer when you are licensed . Graduating law school doesn’t make you a lawyer
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 09:37     Subject: Re:Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Anonymous wrote:According to Merriam-Webster:

A lawyer is "one whose profession is to conduct lawsuits for clients or to advise as to legal rights and obligations in other matters." To practice as a lawyer in the U.S., one must obtain a license by passing one's state bar examination.

An attorney is "one who is legally appointed to transact business on another's behalf." Simply put, you can work as an attorney to manage things apart from legal cases. You might be given power of attorney, for example, to manage the accounts of a loved one who is unable to do so themselves, even if you have no background in law. In a court of law, the attorney is usually a lawyer.


That definition of attorney so really for an "attorney-in-fact", as noted under Black's 9th Ed. Anyways, Black's also says that an attorney is "A person who practices law; LAWYER."
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 08:13     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Isn’t there a difference between attorneys and solicitors? My work makes a distinction


In the UK a solicitor is a lawyer who advises and a barrister is a lawyer who argues in court. I’ve never heard solicitor used in the us in relation to law. In securities, it’s someone licensed to market and sell a product on someone else’s behalf

You’ve never heard of the Solicitor General of the United States?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solicitor_General_of_the_United_States
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 07:43     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I never knew this

A Lawyer is someone who graduated Law School

An Attorney is someone graduated law school and passed the bar exam.

So all Attorneys are lawyers but not all lawyers are Attorneys

It is similar to you are an Accountant if you have an accounting degree but a CPA has an accounting degree plus passed CPA exam


This is not correct. It is possible that, at some point, this distinction existed. It certainly does not exist now. Spending literally 5 minutes with the Virginia Code will dispel you of that notion, as lawyer and attorney are used interchangeably.

In any event, this is beyond silly -- what matters is the definition of the practice of law. Unauthorized practice of law is a crime. Don't practice law unless you are licensed to do so.

-Signed a member of the bar


This statement "signed a member of the bar" is only partially correct. Unauthorized practice of law is not acrime in all jurisdictions; while it is a misdemeanor or felony offense in many jurisdictions, UPL is a civil offense in other jurisdictions.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 07:38     Subject: Re:Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
According to Merriam-Webster:

A lawyer is "one whose profession is to conduct lawsuits for clients or to advise as to legal rights and obligations in other matters." To practice as a lawyer in the U.S., one must obtain a license by passing one's state bar examination.

An attorney is "one who is legally appointed to transact business on another's behalf." Simply put, you can work as an attorney to manage things apart from legal cases. You might be given power of attorney, for example, to manage the accounts of a loved one who is unable to do so themselves, even if you have no background in law. In a court of law, the attorney is usually a lawyer.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 07:38     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
I passed the bar 25 years ago. I recall hearing something like this, but they are actually used interchangeably.
Anonymous
Post 01/18/2023 07:24     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Anonymous wrote:In practice they are interchangeable. No one not licensed is calling themselves a lawyer

Exactly. Proud esquire here.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 23:33     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Isn’t there a difference between attorneys and solicitors? My work makes a distinction


In the UK a solicitor is a lawyer who advises and a barrister is a lawyer who argues in court. I’ve never heard solicitor used in the us in relation to law. In securities, it’s someone licensed to market and sell a product on someone else’s behalf


In the us gov, solicitors advise and attorneys litigate. Or some agencies have that distinction


In most agencies it's the opposite, if they make the distinction at all.
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 22:26     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Isn’t there a difference between attorneys and solicitors? My work makes a distinction


In the UK a solicitor is a lawyer who advises and a barrister is a lawyer who argues in court. I’ve never heard solicitor used in the us in relation to law. In securities, it’s someone licensed to market and sell a product on someone else’s behalf


It is a title in many state governments (and sometimes other entities) to refer to the senior most trial or appellate lawyer (for example, the US Solicitor General has ultimate responsibility for all US government appearances before the Supreme Court).
Anonymous
Post 01/17/2023 22:26     Subject: Attorney and Lawyer are not interchangeable - they are different words
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Isn’t there a difference between attorneys and solicitors? My work makes a distinction


In the UK a solicitor is a lawyer who advises and a barrister is a lawyer who argues in court. I’ve never heard solicitor used in the us in relation to law. In securities, it’s someone licensed to market and sell a product on someone else’s behalf


In the us gov, solicitors advise and attorneys litigate. Or some agencies have that distinction