Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:41     Subject: Re:NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am fine with that. College admissions needs a massive overhaul.


Depending on what the Supreme Court says, one of the biggest changes will be elimination of any sort of “Women in STEM” outreach programs, preferences, or scholarships.

Be careful what you (ignorantly) wish for.



How does this result in a drop in women in stem? Please be specific. Just curious
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:40     Subject: Re:NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
No obvious logical connection between loss of AA and need to get rid of legacy and athletic admits. This is basically the colleges petulantly threatening to take away our dessert if we don’t eat our peas.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:39     Subject: Re:NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am fine with that. College admissions needs a massive overhaul.


Depending on what the Supreme Court says, one of the biggest changes will be elimination of any sort of “Women in STEM” outreach programs, preferences, or scholarships.

Be careful what you (ignorantly) wish for.


On the flip side, overall admission is harder for women because they tend to do much better in high school than boys. Women in tech may go away, but so will the higher bars to get into colleges in general


Conservatives are going to hate it if a side effect is that schools are even more heavily female than they are now.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:39     Subject: Re:NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile ACB’s daughter goes to Notre Dame as a legacy after graduating from a “People of Praise” secondary school.


And Ketanji Brown Jackson’s daughter goes to Harvard as a legacy. Realistically, don’t you think their kids would be getting into any college they want because their parents are on the Supreme Court?


Site but her daughter also went to an outstanding secondary school where that’s not unusual. People of Praise, however…


An “outstanding secondary school” that charges over the US median household income each year in tuition.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:38     Subject: NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Additionally, I think a by-product of the Supreme Court ruling will be the dismantlement of the historically black colleges and universities. They will no longer qualify for federal funding because that would be “racist” under the SC’s twisted logic. I give HCBUs maybe a decade before the vast majority are shut down due to disqualification for federal funds and programs.

The consequences of this decision will be Orwellian.


Trump wholeheartedly supported HBCUs.


Trump never wholehearted supported anything but Trump and KFC.


He drastically increased funding for them. Look it up.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:36     Subject: Re:NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am fine with that. College admissions needs a massive overhaul.


Depending on what the Supreme Court says, one of the biggest changes will be elimination of any sort of “Women in STEM” outreach programs, preferences, or scholarships.

Be careful what you (ignorantly) wish for.


On the flip side, overall admission is harder for women because they tend to do much better in high school than boys. Women in tech may go away, but so will the higher bars to get into colleges in general
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:31     Subject: NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
Anonymous wrote:It will be interesting to see whether the ruling prohibits consideration of gender.

I don’t see why colleges would eliminate preference for athletes if affirmative action is banned. What’s the rationale?

I understand why ED and legacy could be eliminated but it may not be in the colleges’ interests to do so.


Right - I think the OP’s topic headline doesn’t reflect the article. It did refer to ED and legacy admissions being at risk, but not athletic preferences at all. Colleges definitely do NOT look at them the same way.

If anything, colleges are going to rely upon athletic preferences even more because that’s a clear race-blind way that can have the effect of increasing underrepresented minority students.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:27     Subject: NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
The general public discourse does not support AA, so it will end eventually. If not this year, it will be soon. Colleges and universities have horrible PR at the moment, it's in their best interest to flow with what the American people want.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:27     Subject: NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
Anonymous wrote:This could help students at more diverse high schools get in if that is used as a proxy for diversity.


It already is. Of course, it’s still usually the kids with the most money in the school zone getting the advantage. Being the most privileged kid at the most disadvantaged high school is a great way to get into a competitive college. What’s the saying about Alexandria? Yale or jail.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:23     Subject: Re:NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile ACB’s daughter goes to Notre Dame as a legacy after graduating from a “People of Praise” secondary school.


And Ketanji Brown Jackson’s daughter goes to Harvard as a legacy. Realistically, don’t you think their kids would be getting into any college they want because their parents are on the Supreme Court?


Site but her daughter also went to an outstanding secondary school where that’s not unusual. People of Praise, however…
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:21     Subject: Re:NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile ACB’s daughter goes to Notre Dame as a legacy after graduating from a “People of Praise” secondary school.


And Ketanji Brown Jackson’s daughter goes to Harvard as a legacy. Realistically, don’t you think their kids would be getting into any college they want because their parents are on the Supreme Court?


That seems likely.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:20     Subject: NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
This could help students at more diverse high schools get in if that is used as a proxy for diversity.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:20     Subject: Re:NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile ACB’s daughter goes to Notre Dame as a legacy after graduating from a “People of Praise” secondary school.


And Ketanji Brown Jackson’s daughter goes to Harvard as a legacy. Realistically, don’t you think their kids would be getting into any college they want because their parents are on the Supreme Court?
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:19     Subject: NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
It will be interesting to see whether the ruling prohibits consideration of gender.

I don’t see why colleges would eliminate preference for athletes if affirmative action is banned. What’s the rationale?

I understand why ED and legacy could be eliminated but it may not be in the colleges’ interests to do so.
Anonymous
Post 01/16/2023 10:17     Subject: NYTs: if affirmative action goes, say buy-bye to legacy, EA/ED, and most athletic preferences
They can’t get rid of athletic preferences or they won’t be able to field a team. It makes no sense.

I still don’t see how colleges won’t be able to still keep doing it with.holistic admissions . The whole process is such a random crapshoot anyway,