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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

he may not have had a gun but a car can be a deadly weapon when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I tho k we can see that from the accident he caused. He’s an adult and should have known better. Did he deserve to die? No. But his decisions got him here.

How many children did he put at risk, driving around in that condition before he crashed his vehicle?

So he deserved to die? WTF. Of course, he should be cited and charged for reckless endangerment but once he is in police custody you don't kill him. Do you understand the difference? Jesus Christ.

WTF are you spouting off about? Can you READ? Where did anyone write: “he deserved to die”

(Hint: they didn’t. You made that part up yourself).

Exactly. and LAPD's misuse of force and excessive brutality caused his death. As we all agree that death was not a reasonable outcome, LAPD officers must be fired immediately and charged. Thank you!

Did you watch the whole video? At the end the police said had cocaine and weed in his system. Explain to me how the cocaine intoxication didn't cause his death? You can't? Then how can you assume the police did?

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

he may not have had a gun but a car can be a deadly weapon when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I tho k we can see that from the accident he caused. He’s an adult and should have known better. Did he deserve to die? No. But his decisions got him here.

How many children did he put at risk, driving around in that condition before he crashed his vehicle?

If we're talking about actions prior to the arrival of the police, then you're fine with them deciding he was a danger 15 minutes ago and executing him?

No one "executed him." He died 5 hours later, after being transported (by the authorities) to the hospital. That doesn’t mean every aspect of this encounter was handled correctly but we have to get the facts right.

"Executed" is false and not helpful.

Neither is minimizing his death, and effectively shrugging your shoulders at this.
He died due to a cardiac arrest which was clearly caused by the tasing. It may have been 5 hrs later but there is clear cause and effect. It was not necessary to tase him for as long as he did. He was out of the car, he was on the ground and subdued by multiple officers. IF 5 trained police officers do not know what to do with an unarmed, frightened man then the police have a HUGE training issue - which we have seen repeatedly.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

he may not have had a gun but a car can be a deadly weapon when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I tho k we can see that from the accident he caused. He’s an adult and should have known better. Did he deserve to die? No. But his decisions got him here.

How many children did he put at risk, driving around in that condition before he crashed his vehicle?

If we're talking about actions prior to the arrival of the police, then you're fine with them deciding he was a danger 15 minutes ago and executing him?

No one "executed him." He died 5 hours later, after being transported (by the authorities) to the hospital. That doesn’t mean every aspect of this encounter was handled correctly but we have to get the facts right.

"Executed" is false and not helpful.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

LE are 100% aware that Tasing doesn't work on people who are high on drugs. Also, pepper spray doesn't work on people who are high on drugs. Hospital ER's are well aware of this as well, because they have to deal with these people ALL THE TIME.

The more interesting question here is why a school teacher was high on drugs. I'd be concerned if my kid's teacher had a drug habit.

He was out of his mind on drugs, and it appears he was driving around in the middle of the day.

Yes. But considering this stop happened after he was outside of the car, was on the ground, and surrounded by police, are you saying he was still a threat to others lives?

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

LE are 100% aware that Tasing doesn't work on people who are high on drugs. Also, pepper spray doesn't work on people who are high on drugs. Hospital ER's are well aware of this as well, because they have to deal with these people ALL THE TIME.

The more interesting question here is why a school teacher was high on drugs. I'd be concerned if my kid's teacher had a drug habit.

He was out of his mind on drugs, and it appears he was driving around in the middle of the day.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you watch the full bodycam video? I suggest you do this.

This changed everything. Watch the video BEFORE you judge here.

The police acted professionally here, and this death was NOT their fault!

I watched and saw the police tase a man to death who was behaving erratically but was not violent or aggressive.

He died 5 hours after being transported to the hospital, so he wasn’t actually tased to death. That doesn’t mean this was handled correctly but we have to get the facts right if we want to be heard on all sides.

Pedantic.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you watch the full bodycam video? I suggest you do this.

This changed everything. Watch the video BEFORE you judge here.

The police acted professionally here, and this death was NOT their fault!

I watched and saw the police tase a man to death who was behaving erratically but was not violent or aggressive.

He died 5 hours after being transported to the hospital, so he wasn’t actually tased to death. That doesn’t mean this was handled correctly but we have to get the facts right if we want to be heard on all sides.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

LE are 100% aware that Tasing doesn't work on people who are high on drugs. Also, pepper spray doesn't work on people who are high on drugs. Hospital ER's are well aware of this as well, because they have to deal with these people ALL THE TIME.

The more interesting question here is why a school teacher was high on drugs. I'd be concerned if my kid's teacher had a drug habit.

You are exactly what is wrong with this country. You have no problem that police killed another black man but are MORE INTERESTED in whether or not this black man was a drug user. Of course.
Are you still going to file a report on him for allegedly using drugs? I mean, he is dead so it would be overkill. But you can still file the complaint!

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

LE are 100% aware that Tasing doesn't work on people who are high on drugs. Also, pepper spray doesn't work on people who are high on drugs. Hospital ER's are well aware of this as well, because they have to deal with these people ALL THE TIME.

The more interesting question here is why a school teacher was high on drugs. I'd be concerned if my kid's teacher had a drug habit.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

he may not have had a gun but a car can be a deadly weapon when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I tho k we can see that from the accident he caused. He’s an adult and should have known better. Did he deserve to die? No. But his decisions got him here.

How many children did he put at risk, driving around in that condition before he crashed his vehicle?

So he deserved to die? WTF. Of course, he should be cited and charged for reckless endangerment but once he is in police custody you don't kill him. Do you understand the difference? Jesus Christ.

WTF are you spouting off about? Can you READ? Where did anyone write: “he deserved to die”

(Hint: they didn’t. You made that part up yourself).

Exactly. and LAPD's misuse of force and excessive brutality caused his death. As we all agree that death was not a reasonable outcome, LAPD officers must be fired immediately and charged. Thank you!

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

he may not have had a gun but a car can be a deadly weapon when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I tho k we can see that from the accident he caused. He’s an adult and should have known better. Did he deserve to die? No. But his decisions got him here.

He was not a threat. AT no time were the officers in danger. They spoke with him and he was non-threatening. Police officers lack training to deal with someone in crisis. There is NO reason that man should've died for this.

He was literally walking out into traffic. Did you even watch the video??!?

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

he may not have had a gun but a car can be a deadly weapon when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I tho k we can see that from the accident he caused. He’s an adult and should have known better. Did he deserve to die? No. But his decisions got him here.

How many children did he put at risk, driving around in that condition before he crashed his vehicle?

So he deserved to die? WTF. Of course, he should be cited and charged for reckless endangerment but once he is in police custody you don't kill him. Do you understand the difference? Jesus Christ.

WTF are you spouting off about? Can you READ? Where did anyone write: “he deserved to die”

(Hint: they didn’t. You made that part up yourself).

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

he may not have had a gun but a car can be a deadly weapon when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I tho k we can see that from the accident he caused. He’s an adult and should have known better. Did he deserve to die? No. But his decisions got him here.

How many children did he put at risk, driving around in that condition before he crashed his vehicle?

If we're talking about actions prior to the arrival of the police, then you're fine with them deciding he was a danger 15 minutes ago and executing him?

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

he may not have had a gun but a car can be a deadly weapon when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I tho k we can see that from the accident he caused. He’s an adult and should have known better. Did he deserve to die? No. But his decisions got him here.

How many children did he put at risk, driving around in that condition before he crashed his vehicle?

So he deserved to die? WTF. Of course, he should be cited and charged for reckless endangerment but once he is in police custody you don't kill him. Do you understand the difference? Jesus Christ.

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Anonymous wrote:This is awful and hard to watch. My heart breaks for that poor man who was terrified that he was going to die at the hands of the police and actually did. Why did they cuff him when it was just a car accident? And he flagged them down? I don't understand any of this. That poor man.

I am going to guess his very erratic behavior, which the officer initially thought might be DUI-related but it turns out was more likely the result of the cocaine and marijuana shown to be in his system. I tend to judge against the police very quickly on these things and wonder why they had to tase him what seemed like 4 times, but I guess the drugs could explain that?

This video from the LAPD and timeline is interesting.

I do feel awful for him, his family and his students.

But he was unarmed and not a threat. There were also 4-5 armed cops vs. 1 unarmed man. He clearly needed help. I don't understand why he had to be tased. It makes no sense in most civilized countries that don't regularly kill people for traffic incidents

he may not have had a gun but a car can be a deadly weapon when you are under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I tho k we can see that from the accident he caused. He’s an adult and should have known better. Did he deserve to die? No. But his decisions got him here.

He was not a threat. AT no time were the officers in danger. They spoke with him and he was non-threatening. Police officers lack training to deal with someone in crisis. There is NO reason that man should've died for this.