All of you saying "unacceptable" clearly have not worked in global teams.

Anonymous wrote:Definitely unacceptable. At my employer, we're told that it's important to have work/life balance and it's all about family, blah blah blah, but then people do things like what happened to OP.

My coworker messaged me on Teams during our holiday break. Um, I'm not working so I'm not looking at Teams.

OP here. That happens to my husband. He also gets the joy of people scheduling unnecessary meetings during times he’s clearly blocked off on his calendar.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on your office culture, what the meeting was about, etc.. I know how hard it is with daycare and school drop off's, but that is why I put it upon myself to check my email multiple times. I have called in to short notice meetings while dropping my kids off (thank you mute button!).

It does not depend on office culture. Under no circumstances is it reasonable to send a meeting invite at 9pm for 8am the next day. None.

I agree and believe even 9am is pushing it.

Agreed, the only possible exception being if it was an existing meeting that boss realized late might be useful for you to attend as optional (which it sounds like was maybe the case) - but in that case I'd clearly communicate those circumstances and offer to catch up separately on any highlights given the time and the last minute notice.

Definitely unacceptable. At my employer, we're told that it's important to have work/life balance and it's all about family, blah blah blah, but then people do things like what happened to OP.

My coworker messaged me on Teams during our holiday break. Um, I'm not working so I'm not looking at Teams.

It's unacceptable, period.

I talked to my boss and he said he’ll text me if something last minute comes up that I really have to attend. This apparently was optional for me (though it didn’t say that on the invite). I appreciate that, but suggested he communicate to the team general expectations around checking email after hours.

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Anonymous wrote:Where I work, I would get or send a quick text "Sorry for the late notice but can you meet at 8:00 to talk about time-sensitive widgets?"

Right. There was nothing. Just an email invite that you’d only see if you were checking email after 9pm or before 8am.

Those are outside of normal hours. Nothing should be communicated via email unless they are paying for your phone service. I dont have my work email on my phone because they arent paying for it and I am not checking it outside of my working hours. It is completely unreasonable to schedule a meeting for the following morning before core work hours begin.

I think this is a time where you hold boundaries. "My workday usually starts at 8:30/45am. If you have to hold an early meeting, I will do my best to accommodate, but I do to be notified during working hours that you are trying to schedule an early meeting. I am not checking my work emails between 9pm and 8am."

If this was a one time thing, ok. Maybe a learning experience. But if it happens routinely, well, I don't think your boss is someone you want to be your boss anymore.

I wouldn’t have attended the meeting. If they want me there they need to let me know on a work day. I work 12s so not every day. I don’t check work emails unless I’m physically at work. My boss can text me if it’s urgent.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on your office culture, what the meeting was about, etc.. I know how hard it is with daycare and school drop off's, but that is why I put it upon myself to check my email multiple times. I have called in to short notice meetings while dropping my kids off (thank you mute button!).

It does not depend on office culture. Under no circumstances is it reasonable to send a meeting invite at 9pm for 8am the next day. None.

I agree and believe even 9am is pushing it.

Anonymous wrote:It depends on your office culture, what the meeting was about, etc.. I know how hard it is with daycare and school drop off's, but that is why I put it upon myself to check my email multiple times. I have called in to short notice meetings while dropping my kids off (thank you mute button!).

It does not depend on office culture. Under no circumstances is it reasonable to send a meeting invite at 9pm for 8am the next day. None.

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

NP. In that case at least you could have responded to the meeting invite with a "I will not be online until 8:30" so they didn't expect you. I do however think it's extremely unreasonable to expect everyone to check their work email between 9PM and 8AM. There are absolutely days where I don't do that and in your situation, I would expect the meeting organizer to at least slack the participants to give us a head's up so we were aware of the last-minute scheduling.

The meeting organizer is in Singapore and doesn’t care about the time difference. But yeah — my boss, who saw the invite last night, needed to send a text telling us about it.

Was your boss upset with you? If I was the boss, I would show up at the meeting, see that none of my employees were there, and realize I had spaced and not made sure they knew about the meeting.

It depends on your office culture, what the meeting was about, etc.. I know how hard it is with daycare and school drop off's, but that is why I put it upon myself to check my email multiple times. I have called in to short notice meetings while dropping my kids off (thank you mute button!).

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

How did you know, if you didn’t check your email after hours?

Act none the wiser. Miss the meeting and when you’re logged on for the day say “oh gosh, I just saw this invite when I started work today. Can you meet at “x” time?”

I found out when I signed on at 8:30am and saw the invite. But yeah, good approach!

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Anonymous wrote:That's frustrating, OP.

I've learned that while I'm pouring my morning cup of coffee to quickly check my work calendar to see what meetings I have that day. Doing that at 6am means I can see if anything popped up after I got offline the night before. My boss is one who often works at 10pm so this could totally happen to me.

I can’t just adjust last minute though, since I have to drop off my daughter. If I had known even during the day yesterday, I could have made arrangements.

I hear you but at least you could have declined the meeting rather than not knowing about it at all.

Fair enough. I guess I now need to be one of those people who is checking email at all hours. So much for work-life balance!

How did you know, if you didn’t check your email after hours?

Act none the wiser. Miss the meeting and when you’re logged on for the day say “oh gosh, I just saw this invite when I started work today. Can you meet at “x” time?”