Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:43
Subject: Re:What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all schools have grade inflation. That'a actually a benefit of many private schools. They don't inflate grades so colleges have a better read on an applicant. No retakes means their students get what they get. No need to try to figure out of the grade is the result of multiple attempts.
Unless there has been a more recent study, grade inflation is worse in independent schools than public schools
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/grade-inflation-is-greater-in-wealthier-schools-study-says/2017/08#:~:text=Private%20independent%20(not%20religious)%20schools,3.26%20to%203.28%20(0.6%20percent)
The gist of this - that grade inflation is more rampant in well-educated areas seems intuitive. There was a recent post about a kid who came down with a fever in school and took a test and his mom was going to email his advisor to see if he could retake. That sort of parent advocacy isn’t happening on the whole at low-performing schools.
Saying that, I bet these stats skew by zip code more than private v public. Would love to see someone break that out.
They did break it out. Well off public had more inflation that urban public, but less than independent or religious
but didn't break out independent or religious. My hunch is these will trend on different lines.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:40
Subject: Re:What the heck is left for AO to consider
Why do we care about a six year old article in Edweek? All one has to do is compare percentage of class graduating with 4.0 at local publics v. Local privates
When many of the pubkic schools have 20 percent or more of kids with 4.0, that’s grade inflation. You won’t find that at top local private schools. Not sure why there is even a dispute about this.
When many of the pubkic schools have 20 percent or more of kids with 4.0, that’s grade inflation. You won’t find that at top local private schools. Not sure why there is even a dispute about this.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:19
Subject: Re:What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all schools have grade inflation. That'a actually a benefit of many private schools. They don't inflate grades so colleges have a better read on an applicant. No retakes means their students get what they get. No need to try to figure out of the grade is the result of multiple attempts.
Unless there has been a more recent study, grade inflation is worse in independent schools than public schools
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/grade-inflation-is-greater-in-wealthier-schools-study-says/2017/08#:~:text=Private%20independent%20(not%20religious)%20schools,3.26%20to%203.28%20(0.6%20percent)
The gist of this - that grade inflation is more rampant in well-educated areas seems intuitive. There was a recent post about a kid who came down with a fever in school and took a test and his mom was going to email his advisor to see if he could retake. That sort of parent advocacy isn’t happening on the whole at low-performing schools.
Saying that, I bet these stats skew by zip code more than private v public. Would love to see someone break that out.
They did break it out. Well off public had more inflation that urban public, but less than independent or religious
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:18
Subject: What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Course rigor
Grades
Preparation for potential major/career
AP scores
SAT/ACT scores (if they're strong and school isn't test-blind)
Activities (depth and breadth)
Leadership
Grit
Teacher recommendations
Counselor recommendations (for understanding of the school community, against which the student is compared)
Interviews
Demonstrated interest (including virtual events, visits, early decision)
What is the difference between "course rigor" and "Grit?"
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:18
Subject: What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Grade inflation really isn't as big deal because colleges get a school profile. Even if grades are inflated, an AO gets enough data to know what the GPA for a top 10% student is, they know the top overall GPA, they get data on what a rigorous course load is, the get data on AP and honors courses are offered, etc. They know a lot more than you think. It does not matter if half a class is over a 4.0.
It matters when those students go to college thinking the work they turned in was all A work. Just look at how many college dropouts there are. Many had no business being in college in the first place.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:17
Subject: What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation or URM.
White supremacy is an ugly thing.
If you haven't been paying attention the last 30+ years, it's not about white people. The Asians are the ones getting shafted.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:15
Subject: Re:What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all schools have grade inflation. That'a actually a benefit of many private schools. They don't inflate grades so colleges have a better read on an applicant. No retakes means their students get what they get. No need to try to figure out of the grade is the result of multiple attempts.
Unless there has been a more recent study, grade inflation is worse in independent schools than public schools
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/grade-inflation-is-greater-in-wealthier-schools-study-says/2017/08#:~:text=Private%20independent%20(not%20religious)%20schools,3.26%20to%203.28%20(0.6%20percent)
The gist of this - that grade inflation is more rampant in well-educated areas seems intuitive. There was a recent post about a kid who came down with a fever in school and took a test and his mom was going to email his advisor to see if he could retake. That sort of parent advocacy isn’t happening on the whole at low-performing schools.
Saying that, I bet these stats skew by zip code more than private v public. Would love to see someone break that out.
But doesn't living in a well educated area also mean its possible that there really are a higher number of kids capable on getting As? I mean, there are a lot of really, really smart and well educated kids in the DC areas. I am not at all surprised if more kids get As around here.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:12
Subject: What the heck is left for AO to consider
Grade inflation really isn't as big deal because colleges get a school profile. Even if grades are inflated, an AO gets enough data to know what the GPA for a top 10% student is, they know the top overall GPA, they get data on what a rigorous course load is, the get data on AP and honors courses are offered, etc. They know a lot more than you think. It does not matter if half a class is over a 4.0.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:11
Subject: Re:What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all schools have grade inflation. That'a actually a benefit of many private schools. They don't inflate grades so colleges have a better read on an applicant. No retakes means their students get what they get. No need to try to figure out of the grade is the result of multiple attempts.
Unless there has been a more recent study, grade inflation is worse in independent schools than public schools
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/grade-inflation-is-greater-in-wealthier-schools-study-says/2017/08#:~:text=Private%20independent%20(not%20religious)%20schools,3.26%20to%203.28%20(0.6%20percent)
The gist of this - that grade inflation is more rampant in well-educated areas seems intuitive. There was a recent post about a kid who came down with a fever in school and took a test and his mom was going to email his advisor to see if he could retake. That sort of parent advocacy isn’t happening on the whole at low-performing schools.
Saying that, I bet these stats skew by zip code more than private v public. Would love to see someone break that out.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:10
Subject: Re:What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all schools have grade inflation. That'a actually a benefit of many private schools. They don't inflate grades so colleges have a better read on an applicant. No retakes means their students get what they get. No need to try to figure out of the grade is the result of multiple attempts.
Unless there has been a more recent study, grade inflation is worse in independent schools than public schools
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/grade-inflation-is-greater-in-wealthier-schools-study-says/2017/08#:~:text=Private%20independent%20(not%20religious)%20schools,3.26%20to%203.28%20(0.6%20percent)
Maybe but not Catholic schools. I think they have grade deflation.
Read the study, religious schools had less inflation than independent, but more than public. Again, if you're aware of a more recent study, please share
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:09
Subject: What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Course rigor
Grades
Preparation for potential major/career
AP scores
SAT/ACT scores (if they're strong and school isn't test-blind)
Activities (depth and breadth)
Leadership
Grit
Teacher recommendations
Counselor recommendations (for understanding of the school community, against which the student is compared)
Interviews
Demonstrated interest (including virtual events, visits, early decision)
+1
I don't get how anyone who has done the visits and filled out these applications doesn't realize how much information they submitting for consideration.
Agreed - my daughter struggled with some supplementals because the applications were so in depth.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:06
Subject: Re:What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not all schools have grade inflation. That'a actually a benefit of many private schools. They don't inflate grades so colleges have a better read on an applicant. No retakes means their students get what they get. No need to try to figure out of the grade is the result of multiple attempts.
Unless there has been a more recent study, grade inflation is worse in independent schools than public schools
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/grade-inflation-is-greater-in-wealthier-schools-study-says/2017/08#:~:text=Private%20independent%20(not%20religious)%20schools,3.26%20to%203.28%20(0.6%20percent)
Maybe but not Catholic schools. I think they have grade deflation.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 13:02
Subject: What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Course rigor
Grades
Preparation for potential major/career
AP scores
SAT/ACT scores (if they're strong and school isn't test-blind)
Activities (depth and breadth)
Leadership
Grit
Teacher recommendations
Counselor recommendations (for understanding of the school community, against which the student is compared)
Interviews
Demonstrated interest (including virtual events, visits, early decision)
+1
I don't get how anyone who has done the visits and filled out these applications doesn't realize how much information they submitting for consideration.
+ another. Probably sour grapes from someone who's been prepping for 10 years for the tests.
Anonymous
12/15/2022 12:56
Subject: What the heck is left for AO to consider
Yeah those AO's are helpless fools! The truth is they pick names out of a hat and then head down to the campus pub for happy hour!
/since this is the thread where we type as much stupid as we can, apparently
/since this is the thread where we type as much stupid as we can, apparently
Anonymous
12/15/2022 12:24
Subject: What the heck is left for AO to consider
Anonymous wrote:If you are first generation or URM.
White supremacy is an ugly thing.