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Anonymous wrote:LOL these guys think that the 1950s were some halcyon era where all men had their pick of supermodels that would cook them dinner and clean their house and sleep with them every night.

What they forget is that men in the 1950s had been to war, could fix anything around the house, and could support a family of 5 on their salary so mom could stay home.

The standards are the same, men just don’t meet them anymore. They have zero accomplishments other than beating some dumb video game.

And don’t forget in order to marry those supermodel sex dolls, they had to explain to **another man** what their plans for her financial upkeep in “the manner to which she is accustomed” was. I think a lot of todays young men would wilt at the question.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe having to excel in two spheres (work and home) is easier for women, on avg, and harder for men, on avg. Combine that with the fact that women, on average, don't withhold sex until marriage, you're going to see an increasing number of males not striving to be the best version of themselves.

If the past 50 years can be considered a success for women, someone else is going to be less successful. Social and political revolutions always have knock on effects.

Financial independence is nothing to sneer at, but there are always going to be trade offs and making men less essential could very well mean that their incentives to fulfill our ideals as husband's as father's have been cratered.

Anonymous wrote:LOL these guys think that the 1950s were some halcyon era where all men had their pick of supermodels that would cook them dinner and clean their house and sleep with them every night.

What they forget is that men in the 1950s had been to war, could fix anything around the house, and could support a family of 5 on their salary so mom could stay home.

The standards are the same, men just don’t meet them anymore. They have zero accomplishments other than beating some dumb video game.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the standards for men fell after they lost the expectation of being the breadwinner and this idea of a man-child took off. Now there is absolutely no point to dating a man who isn’t educated in a solid career with the expectation of them doing half of the housework. Our Dads expected to do 100% of the out of home work in many cases (or at least be able to support a family) but todays man children want to have it all— a wife who suppers their financial lifestyle AND someone who bears the brunt of the domestic labor. For most women of quality that’s a hard nope.

A lot of people are ok with the man not doing half the housework if they are making more than them and working longer hours. That's still not an issue as long as you are bringing home money and the woman isn't overworked. Of course being a family man never goes out of style but until men see unpaid work and mental load work as actual work I don't think they are going to be able to understand how to even out the work in a family.

Some are. And those who aren’t don’t have to settle. That’s basically the difference— in the past a woman’s choices were marriage or the authority of her father. Now she’s perfectly entitled to make her own money, have children on her own, and have a different man every night for sex **if that’s what she wants**. That means the number of men who want a wife to do home AND work is going to exceed the number of women willing to be both housewives AND work outside the home. It looks like the standard are higher because women have the choice to opt out, but really (IMO) the standards for men have just fallen.

Anonymous wrote:I think women for the last 30 years have had higher standards. I will add a big "BUT" to this. Many do not have realistic expectations. You can't demand a 10 if you are not one yourself. The same goes for men.

I am middle aged and witnessed a lot of my peers pass on good guys because they did not believe they were up to their standards in regards to looks and income. Those people are still single and unhappy.

I am just saying, it is good to gave standards but be real about it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the standards for men fell after they lost the expectation of being the breadwinner and this idea of a man-child took off. Now there is absolutely no point to dating a man who isn’t educated in a solid career with the expectation of them doing half of the housework. Our Dads expected to do 100% of the out of home work in many cases (or at least be able to support a family) but todays man children want to have it all— a wife who suppers their financial lifestyle AND someone who bears the brunt of the domestic labor. For most women of quality that’s a hard nope.

A lot of people are ok with the man not doing half the housework if they are making more than them and working longer hours. That's still not an issue as long as you are bringing home money and the woman isn't overworked. Of course being a family man never goes out of style but until men see unpaid work and mental load work as actual work I don't think they are going to be able to understand how to even out the work in a family.

Anonymous wrote:I think the standards for men fell after they lost the expectation of being the breadwinner and this idea of a man-child took off. Now there is absolutely no point to dating a man who isn’t educated in a solid career with the expectation of them doing half of the housework. Our Dads expected to do 100% of the out of home work in many cases (or at least be able to support a family) but todays man children want to have it all— a wife who suppers their financial lifestyle AND someone who bears the brunt of the domestic labor. For most women of quality that’s a hard nope.

Anonymous wrote: I'm a youngish woman. I hear lots of younger guys complaining that women's standards are higher now than in past generations, but how would they even know? They weren't dating 20+ years ago. Is there any truth to this or do they just have grass is greener syndrome?

Anonymous wrote: I'm a youngish woman. I hear lots of younger guys complaining that women's standards are higher now than in past generations, but how would they even know? They weren't dating 20+ years ago. Is there any truth to this or do they just have grass is greener syndrome?

Anonymous wrote:I think women for the last 30 years have had higher standards. I will add a big "BUT" to this. Many do not have realistic expectations. You can't demand a 10 if you are not one yourself. The same goes for men.

I am middle aged and witnessed a lot of my peers pass on good guys because they did not believe they were up to their standards in regards to looks and income. Those people are still single and unhappy.

I am just saying, it is good to gave standards but be real about it.