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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

This Organization and Satanic Temple are not teaching children to be Satanist. They are using the word Satanic in their name to make a point about separation of Church and State, and to provide an alternative to the Christian Club.

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Anonymous wrote:It seems like Christians pushed hard to get religion into public schools and then are outraged when a religion that they don't like walks through the doors they opened

Where did you see outrage?

"But now, it's okay to have devil worshipping in school around impressionable minds and age," Ballard said. "Children absorb everything they see and hear and they model what they see adults do."
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"Now, I'm being concerned about the welfare of my child and other classmates of his that are maybe exposed to this satanic group," she said. "I'm very concerned about it.



https://www.wtkr.com/news/officials-address-after-hours-satan-club-at-chesapeake-primary-school

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Anonymous wrote:I’m Christian and I, too, have no problem with this, of course diversity of opinion is important. Although let’s call it what it is, it’s an atheist club trying to convert kids to atheism (not Satanism). Who said atheists never proselytize?

You can't be "converted to Atheism". You can release your beliefs and not take up new ones.

Phrase it like you want, the goal is to pull people away from religion. This is, in fact, proselytizing, and this school group proves that atheists do it too.

Which, again, is fine.

Sorry but words matter. Atheism is not a religion. It is a state lacking belief in one.

Is giving people who lack belief a place to meet "pulling people away from religion"?

Is not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically "pulling people away from religion"?

You can quibble about whether atheism is a system of thought, but you’re being disengenuous when you say this group doesn’t have the motive of changing kids’ minds about religion.

[i]“the club’s flyer insists it’s not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically.”[b]

Does looking at the world scientifically lead people to drop their religion?

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Anonymous wrote:I think atheists have a branding problem here. Most parents, even atheist ones, aren’t going to get that it’s basically an atheist club and they aren’t going to let their kids join.

Why?

See 15:28

That doesn’t explain why.

Anonymous wrote:Ha that’s funny. The idea of elementary school Satanists cracks me up.

According to my understanding of the first amendment they actually shouldn’t allow either.

Equally funny as the idea of “elementary school Christians”

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Christian and I have no problem with this. I think atheistic Satanists are wrong theologically, but I also think that about Muslims, Pagans, and plenty of other Christians. If we're going to let groups use public spaces, it's going to include lots of people, whose beliefs I think are wrong.

I think of those others you’ve mentioned as “different”, not “wrong”. Literally worshipping evil counts as “wrong” in my book. I get that the school is backed into a corner based on their desire to provide space for the Christian club, but no, I would not be okay with that.

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Anonymous wrote:I think atheists have a branding problem here. Most parents, even atheist ones, aren’t going to get that it’s basically an atheist club and they aren’t going to let their kids join.

Why?

See 15:28

Anonymous wrote:I think atheists have a branding problem here. Most parents, even atheist ones, aren’t going to get that it’s basically an atheist club and they aren’t going to let their kids join.

Especially elementary school. Middle school or HS would be a non-issue if it sounded like a fun thing that interested my kid. We’re atheists at our house, but the quiet kind that don’t advertise our (lack of) beliefs.

Anonymous wrote:Satanism in ES?!?! Hard pass for me and my DC

If you read OP’s blurb it’s really an atheism club. Still, most parents will think like you and that’s the reason this club is never going to have more than 5 members.

Anonymous wrote:I think atheists have a branding problem here. Most parents, even atheist ones, aren’t going to get that it’s basically an atheist club and they aren’t going to let their kids join.

Why?

Satanism in ES?!?! Hard pass for me and my DC

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m Christian and I, too, have no problem with this, of course diversity of opinion is important. Although let’s call it what it is, it’s an atheist club trying to convert kids to atheism (not Satanism). Who said atheists never proselytize?

You can't be "converted to Atheism". You can release your beliefs and not take up new ones.

Phrase it like you want, the goal is to pull people away from religion. This is, in fact, proselytizing, and this school group proves that atheists do it too.

Which, again, is fine.

Sorry but words matter. Atheism is not a religion. It is a state lacking belief in one.

Is giving people who lack belief a place to meet "pulling people away from religion"?

Is not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically "pulling people away from religion"?

You can quibble about whether atheism is a system of thought, but you’re being disengenuous when you say this group doesn’t have the motive of changing kids’ minds about religion.

I think atheists have a branding problem here. Most parents, even atheist ones, aren’t going to get that it’s basically an atheist club and they aren’t going to let their kids join.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m Christian and I, too, have no problem with this, of course diversity of opinion is important. Although let’s call it what it is, it’s an atheist club trying to convert kids to atheism (not Satanism). Who said atheists never proselytize?

You can't be "converted to Atheism". You can release your beliefs and not take up new ones.

Phrase it like you want, the goal is to pull people away from religion. This is, in fact, proselytizing, and this school group proves that atheists do it too.

Which, again, is fine.

Sorry but words matter. Atheism is not a religion. It is a state lacking belief in one.

Is giving people who lack belief a place to meet "pulling people away from religion"?

Is not looking to convert children into any sort of religion and only wants to encourage them to look at the world scientifically "pulling people away from religion"?

Anonymous wrote:It seems like Christians pushed hard to get religion into public schools and then are outraged when a religion that they don't like walks through the doors they opened

Where did you see outrage?