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Anonymous wrote:If you are vegetarian because you are an animal rights person, ask yourself how many animals die when you plow a field to plant your vegetables.

I am not a vegetarian and that is the dumbest thing I've heard this week.

The other PP is right. Just because the dead animal doesn’t end up on your plate doesn’t mean it’s any less dead. Fields have animals, lots of them. They may be little, but they’re real.

This is mind-blowingly dumb. Please go watch a couple of videos about factory farming and come back and tell us if the cruelty is the equivalent of a mouse living a free in the wild getting run over by a plow.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are vegetarian because you are an animal rights person, ask yourself how many animals die when you plow a field to plant your vegetables.

I am not a vegetarian and that is the dumbest thing I've heard this week.

The other PP is right. Just because the dead animal doesn’t end up on your plate doesn’t mean it’s any less dead. Fields have animals, lots of them. They may be little, but they’re real.

It is still the dumbest question I have seen. What alternative food source are you suggesting - thin air? The choice to be vegetarian on the grounds of animal rights is to MINIMISE harm. I am a happy carnivore but completely aware that my choices support a massive animal-raising industrial machine that treats animals terribly. Even worse, my choices contribute far more to environmental degradation than the choices made by vegetarians. I am disgusted by people who try to denigrate vegetarians and are in apparent denial about the impact of their own eating choices.

If this person had a registered name, I would read everything they post.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are vegetarian because you are an animal rights person, ask yourself how many animals die when you plow a field to plant your vegetables.

I am not a vegetarian and that is the dumbest thing I've heard this week.

The other PP is right. Just because the dead animal doesn’t end up on your plate doesn’t mean it’s any less dead. Fields have animals, lots of them. They may be little, but they’re real.

It is still the dumbest question I have seen. What alternative food source are you suggesting - thin air? The choice to be vegetarian on the grounds of animal rights is to MINIMISE harm. I am a happy carnivore but completely aware that my choices support a massive animal-raising industrial machine that treats animals terribly. Even worse, my choices contribute far more to environmental degradation than the choices made by vegetarians. I am disgusted by people who try to denigrate vegetarians and are in apparent denial about the impact of their own eating choices.

Anonymous wrote:How terrible is it to eat these things several times a week? I'm vegetarian and aside from fish, this is my go-to easy fast meal (for myself--not my family) where I sauté one beyond burger, along with some sautéed vegetables and sweet potatoes or maybe sweet potato fries, maybe a salad to go with. I mean the nutritional content of the BB isn't terrible, but I'm finding I'm eating these 3-4 a week at least.

FYI, you are NOT vegetarian. Fish are not plants. You are a pescatarian. Make yourself some fish tacos if you prefer white fish or salmon burgers if you prefer salmon.

You are much better off with a bean burger, OP.

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Anonymous wrote:Related question - do beyond burgers count as ultra-processed food? Even though they are vegan?

They are terrible for you, according to my nutritionist sister-in-law.

They have no veggies, just a pea protein isolate. They are also highly processed.

The amount of saturated fat in them is just slightly less than lean ground beef. Impossible Burgers actually have more saturated fat in them than lean ground beef.

+1 this!

Anonymous wrote:Related question - do beyond burgers count as ultra-processed food? Even though they are vegan?

They are terrible for you, according to my nutritionist sister-in-law.

They have no veggies, just a pea protein isolate. They are also highly processed.

The amount of saturated fat in them is just slightly less than lean ground beef. Impossible Burgers actually have more saturated fat in them than lean ground beef.

Had a friend who became vegetarian and became obsessed with the healthier than thou attitude. Were at a health food store and when I got some grass fed beef, she made an oh how can you eat that comment.

I grabbed the pack of frozen soy burgers in her cart and started reading the 23 fake processed and unpronounceable ingredients and said at least I’m eating real food.

They are ultra processed artificial food. Why can’t you eat something else?

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Anonymous wrote:If you are vegetarian because you are an animal rights person, ask yourself how many animals die when you plow a field to plant your vegetables.

I am not a vegetarian and that is the dumbest thing I've heard this week.

It isn’t, though. Moles, voles, mice… etc. all dead to plow a field for your quinoa or whatever.

PP is like a 5 year old who is convinced they have it all figured out.

PP - what do you imagine that livestock eat? In the US, it’s mostly corn. And, about 9 pounds of corn for every pound of animal. So, in addition to killing animals after they’ve live a life tantamount to continual torture, you’re also killing 9 times as many mice, voles, etc.

Maybe read a book once in a while?

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Anonymous wrote:If you are vegetarian because you are an animal rights person, ask yourself how many animals die when you plow a field to plant your vegetables.

I am not a vegetarian and that is the dumbest thing I've heard this week.

The other PP is right. Just because the dead animal doesn’t end up on your plate doesn’t mean it’s any less dead. Fields have animals, lots of them. They may be little, but they’re real.

Anonymous wrote:OP here--this has got me thinking. I don't eat a ton of processed foods other than the BB and you're right--I didn't think of it as frankenfood but now that I'm reading the comments, I agree it is ultra processed and disguised as a veggie burger without the veggie part so probably better to sautee up some fish or make salmon cakes (which I do make from time to time). I'm going to give the BB a break.

Okay, BBs are processed, but they are not frankenfoods. They are made of mung and some other beans, coconut oil, peas, potato starch, beet juice, and brown rice. Yes..processed, but not chemicals or unpronounceable, unrecognizable ingredients. For me, I would limit them because they are pretty high in sodium and coconut oil is not my fave.

But they are "frankenfoods" only in that they figured out how to take plants and make them into something resembling meat.

Taste wise, I much prefer Impossible, but they are soy and some odder ingredients and closer to the notion of a frankenfood. But I do eat them on occasion because they are tasty.

So yeah, treat yourself to Beyond Burgers, but watch your sodium and sat fat (the coconut oil) in other foods on days you eat them.

OP here--this has got me thinking. I don't eat a ton of processed foods other than the BB and you're right--I didn't think of it as frankenfood but now that I'm reading the comments, I agree it is ultra processed and disguised as a veggie burger without the veggie part so probably better to sautee up some fish or make salmon cakes (which I do make from time to time). I'm going to give the BB a break.

Anonymous wrote:If you are vegetarian because you are an animal rights person, ask yourself how many animals die when you plow a field to plant your vegetables.

Do you really think fields are plowed by animal-powered equipment in 2022? Do you live in Amish Country?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are vegetarian because you are an animal rights person, ask yourself how many animals die when you plow a field to plant your vegetables.

I am not a vegetarian and that is the dumbest thing I've heard this week.

It isn’t, though. Moles, voles, mice… etc. all dead to plow a field for your quinoa or whatever.

It takes a LOT of vegetables to grow the meat you eat instead, so unless your diet is moles, voles, etc the vegetables are least impact.