Anonymous
Post 12/06/2022 14:37     Subject: Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Anonymous wrote:Breeder assured me parents & puppies were prime healthy.

My dog has 2 genetic issues, one of which is causing him discomfort and pain. Breeder had asked for photo updates when he's grown (I've sent a few through puppyhood).

He's almost 1yr old.

Would you tell them about the issues? If I was the Breeder I would want to know. I thought I was paying for a healthy pup, I am a bit angry about this all, which I don't intend on communicating.

Would you tell them the dog has issues x and issue y just so they know?

Unless they have the testing paperwork (and made it accessible to you) to confirm all the ways the parents are "prime healthy" I wouldn't bother because it sounds like they are just another puppy producer blowing smoke to make the sale. Unless it would make you feel better to do so.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2022 19:16     Subject: Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Anonymous wrote:Also, we have a lab. Hardly a designer dog.


That used to be true bt there has been a disturbing trend to go larger-wider for show rings. Dogs might be the same height and in breed stnadrd range but bone structure is 1.3X wider and the legs can't sustain them and can result t in spinal issues and other problems. Even field labs are being bred for bigger in some circles.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2022 18:37     Subject: Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
YES! Please tell them.

A good breeder will want to see the vet results and will use that to determine future pairings to minimize the chance of it happening again.

Be prepared for denial, pushback, anger though. IME most people who breed doing want to hear it.

If you do facebook there are groups that keep tabs on different breeders. Worth posting a review based on the response.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2022 18:24     Subject: Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Also, we have a lab. Hardly a designer dog.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2022 18:24     Subject: Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The good breeders will care but those are the ones who breed 1-2 litters per year. They are the dog show people.

AKC paperwork shows that your dog is purebred. To have confidence in the background genetics of the parents, multiple tests must be performed depending on breed.

One way to know if your breeder is legit is that they 1- require the dog to be spayed/neutered (unless it’s going to be a show dog and then there’s a whole additional arrangement with ownership) and that as the owner you are required to return the dog to the breeder if there is any reason whatsoever you can’t keep the dog.

I’m so sorry OP. Take good care of your baby.


Yep. We’ve been very happy with our breeder so far. They do 1-2 litters per year. Dogs live in their house with them. Our vet said our puppy was clearly well taken care of. The vet said it’s not uncommon for puppies to have worms, but ours does not. They said the breeder did a great job with deworming treatments.

You need to do your research, though, and know what to look for.


Curious how many female dogs your breeder owns? A responsible breeder knows a female dog should not have more than 3-4 litters in her lifetime, so if they’ve been producing 1-2 litters per year they must have a big stable of dogs?

Except far too many so-called responsible, AKC registered breeders are breeding their female dogs to exhaustion, and the pups they produce are as healthy as you can expect after developing in a depleted maternal environment.

Mongrel/mixed breed dogs are vastly healthier than purebreds, hands down. It’s sad so many are destroyed every year because people are so fascinated by designer dogs.


They have a fairly large stable of dogs. We did our research.
Anonymous
Post 12/05/2022 00:05     Subject: Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
I’m so sorry your dog is having troubles.

Yes, tell the breeder. Be prepared that they may get nasty with you.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2022 11:57     Subject: Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The good breeders will care but those are the ones who breed 1-2 litters per year. They are the dog show people.

AKC paperwork shows that your dog is purebred. To have confidence in the background genetics of the parents, multiple tests must be performed depending on breed.

One way to know if your breeder is legit is that they 1- require the dog to be spayed/neutered (unless it’s going to be a show dog and then there’s a whole additional arrangement with ownership) and that as the owner you are required to return the dog to the breeder if there is any reason whatsoever you can’t keep the dog.

I’m so sorry OP. Take good care of your baby.


Yep. We’ve been very happy with our breeder so far. They do 1-2 litters per year. Dogs live in their house with them. Our vet said our puppy was clearly well taken care of. The vet said it’s not uncommon for puppies to have worms, but ours does not. They said the breeder did a great job with deworming treatments.

You need to do your research, though, and know what to look for.


Curious how many female dogs your breeder owns? A responsible breeder knows a female dog should not have more than 3-4 litters in her lifetime, so if they’ve been producing 1-2 litters per year they must have a big stable of dogs?

Except far too many so-called responsible, AKC registered breeders are breeding their female dogs to exhaustion, and the pups they produce are as healthy as you can expect after developing in a depleted maternal environment.

Mongrel/mixed breed dogs are vastly healthier than purebreds, hands down. It’s sad so many are destroyed every year because people are so fascinated by designer dogs.


I posted at 8:32. The breeder types I referenced do not have ridiculous numbers of females or males and the females do not produce more than 3-4 litters. Mongrels-mixed are not healthier now or in recent decades because the vast majority of peole who own great dogs get them neutered.

When I was a kid we got a fine dog who was the result of 2 great dogs who had an unintentional litter. I also got a rescue - lab+spaniel as a young adult. Relatives in their sixties always got such dogs and looked for 4 years at shelters and rescues. One elderly woman tookk over 5 years to get a great shelter dog- such a regular checker that she was contacted and the dog never was actually avilable to the public.

Relatives ended up with a lab from a breeder- hunting lines.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2022 10:00     Subject: Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The good breeders will care but those are the ones who breed 1-2 litters per year. They are the dog show people.

AKC paperwork shows that your dog is purebred. To have confidence in the background genetics of the parents, multiple tests must be performed depending on breed.

One way to know if your breeder is legit is that they 1- require the dog to be spayed/neutered (unless it’s going to be a show dog and then there’s a whole additional arrangement with ownership) and that as the owner you are required to return the dog to the breeder if there is any reason whatsoever you can’t keep the dog.

I’m so sorry OP. Take good care of your baby.


Yep. We’ve been very happy with our breeder so far. They do 1-2 litters per year. Dogs live in their house with them. Our vet said our puppy was clearly well taken care of. The vet said it’s not uncommon for puppies to have worms, but ours does not. They said the breeder did a great job with deworming treatments.

You need to do your research, though, and know what to look for.


Curious how many female dogs your breeder owns? A responsible breeder knows a female dog should not have more than 3-4 litters in her lifetime, so if they’ve been producing 1-2 litters per year they must have a big stable of dogs?

Except far too many so-called responsible, AKC registered breeders are breeding their female dogs to exhaustion, and the pups they produce are as healthy as you can expect after developing in a depleted maternal environment.

Mongrel/mixed breed dogs are vastly healthier than purebreds, hands down. It’s sad so many are destroyed every year because people are so fascinated by designer dogs.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2022 09:40     Subject: Re:Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. My breeder even has a clause in the contract stipulating that you inform them. With documentation they will take the dog back and/or give you another from the next litter. We chose neither, as it wasn't a huge problem and not something the testing would have disclosed, just an FYI to them. Sometimes genetic issues pop up without prior warning, in dogs and people.


Genetic issues tested for-Yes. There are issues with breeds because legit breeders might produce litters designed to increase their chances in the hierarchy of the conformation show ring. One had some great dogs also actually trained and successful in hunting trials or agility. Or capable of succeeding at the the training. Then they infuse a breeding for looks only- trend that increases current all the way to the top -Westminster.

So we had a wonderful disposition dog with major orthopedic problems from that type of breeding. Hybrids, rescues, etc might have no sort of testing. Next dog we get will be from a breeder that all parents etc are active in obedience, agility, hunting as the main focus-NOT conformation show ring.

One person bought a supposed lab-golden mix. Is part hound and acts like one as far as trainability.


+1 to this. Our first childhood Springer Spaniel came from a show breeder. They originally kept him to show but decided to sell him when he developed spots in the wrong place and so could not be shown. He had an amazing disposition but developed a genetic heart condition at 6. Our next Springer Spaniel we adopted from hunting lines. His disposition was not as calm, but he was still a great dog and lived a long healthy life to 16.
Anonymous
Post 12/04/2022 08:32     Subject: Re:Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Anonymous wrote:Yes. My breeder even has a clause in the contract stipulating that you inform them. With documentation they will take the dog back and/or give you another from the next litter. We chose neither, as it wasn't a huge problem and not something the testing would have disclosed, just an FYI to them. Sometimes genetic issues pop up without prior warning, in dogs and people.


Genetic issues tested for-Yes. There are issues with breeds because legit breeders might produce litters designed to increase their chances in the hierarchy of the conformation show ring. One had some great dogs also actually trained and successful in hunting trials or agility. Or capable of succeeding at the the training. Then they infuse a breeding for looks only- trend that increases current all the way to the top -Westminster.

So we had a wonderful disposition dog with major orthopedic problems from that type of breeding. Hybrids, rescues, etc might have no sort of testing. Next dog we get will be from a breeder that all parents etc are active in obedience, agility, hunting as the main focus-NOT conformation show ring.

One person bought a supposed lab-golden mix. Is part hound and acts like one as far as trainability.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2022 14:10     Subject: Re:Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Anonymous wrote:Yes. My breeder even has a clause in the contract stipulating that you inform them. With documentation they will take the dog back and/or give you another from the next litter. We chose neither, as it wasn't a huge problem and not something the testing would have disclosed, just an FYI to them. Sometimes genetic issues pop up without prior warning, in dogs and people.



Same with our breeder.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2022 11:46     Subject: Re:Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Yes. My breeder even has a clause in the contract stipulating that you inform them. With documentation they will take the dog back and/or give you another from the next litter. We chose neither, as it wasn't a huge problem and not something the testing would have disclosed, just an FYI to them. Sometimes genetic issues pop up without prior warning, in dogs and people.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2022 11:35     Subject: Re:Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
I'm sorry, OP. Sending my best wishes to you and your dog.

To answer your question, absolutely. Is it possible for a dog to have a genetic condition that can't be identified by genetic testing? Maybe the breeder didn't know.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2022 10:53     Subject: Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Anonymous wrote:Yes, but I would have expected it. I would not have bought a dog from a breeder to begin with.
This dog's problems were not an accident most likely. It was created by people. I just gave them money to do it again.


Unnecessary bashing of breeders. Read the pinned post for this forum.
Anonymous
Post 12/03/2022 10:46     Subject: Would you tell the breeder if the dog has genetic issues?
Yes, but I would have expected it. I would not have bought a dog from a breeder to begin with.
This dog's problems were not an accident most likely. It was created by people. I just gave them money to do it again.