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Anonymous wrote:Just saw that Purdue will require SAT/ACT for 2024 grads? Are there any D1 requiring test for 2024?

Some required it for the 2023s. And those schools that say "optional" really prefer the recruits take them.

ugh,

So what happens if you commit to an above average academic school like "Villanova"... get high GPA but not score well on SAT/ACT? Would they still honor the commitment without submitting the score? or would you have to start looking more at lesser academic schools?

Probably have to look at lesser academic school, the minimums the kids are asked to meet aren’t thar high, so unlikely a kid would do well at the school if they could not meet. I’m not sure I would agree that Villanova is an above average academic school though.

to the nova haters: https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/Villanova-admission-requirements

What is this suppose to prove? I still don’t think Villanova is an above average academic school.

Ditto. Totally mediocre school.

Both of you stop. Villanova isn't an Ivy but it certainly is a very good school.

It’s not a very good school. It’s a very middle tier school. Seriously. Stop kidding yourself. Lot of better schools out there below Ivies but better than Villanova.

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Anonymous wrote:Some schools - especially Ivies and the academies - have been asking for test scores, but the NCAA has served ALL of them with notices that you cannot have two separate requirements for the same class of student. Also the NCAA has already made it clear that tests are optional through 2023, and next month are voting on making it permanent which given the California and Harvard lawsuits, you can reasonably expect this policy to be made permanent. Here's the link to the NCAA governance section - https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/2/16/media-center-proposals-to-drop-test-scores-for-incoming-college-athletes-advance.aspx

Let’s not kid ourselves. This proposal is driven by the big revenue generating sports where the student in student athlete doesn’t really exist for many playing these sports.

There are two distinct tiers of sports in school - revenue and non-revenue. The non-revenue sports exist, especially on the girls side due to Title IX, because the revenue sports allow it. If the SEC and BigTen+ decided that they wanted a better split of the revenue, they could unilaterally end the NCAA. Period. So don't think this proposal has anything to do with the revenue sports. Bigger fish to fry.

Wrong Title IX is federal law and not an NCAA rule. Killing the NCAA would not end title IX.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw that Purdue will require SAT/ACT for 2024 grads? Are there any D1 requiring test for 2024?

Some required it for the 2023s. And those schools that say "optional" really prefer the recruits take them.

ugh,

So what happens if you commit to an above average academic school like "Villanova"... get high GPA but not score well on SAT/ACT? Would they still honor the commitment without submitting the score? or would you have to start looking more at lesser academic schools?

Probably have to look at lesser academic school, the minimums the kids are asked to meet aren’t thar high, so unlikely a kid would do well at the school if they could not meet. I’m not sure I would agree that Villanova is an above average academic school though.

to the nova haters: https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/Villanova-admission-requirements

What is this suppose to prove? I still don’t think Villanova is an above average academic school.

Ditto. Totally mediocre school.

Both of you stop. Villanova isn't an Ivy but it certainly is a very good school.

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, every 23 recruit I knew had to submit test scores. It actually seemed pretty much required.

As it should be. If your privileged lacrosse playing kid can’t get a decent score on the STA/ACT, even for a school as mediocre as Villanova, they should really be looking at schools that are a better fit. I mean come on.

As it should be?? Maybe crawl out from under your rock and pay attention to the news - testing is no longer the be all end all to determine a student's college placement. Also, if you're going to say that kids should be able to get a decent score then maybe do a quick spell check before writing STA instead of SAT.

The only one living under a rock is the one who cannot earn a solid SAT/ACT score. Testing will come back fully within the decade once these colleges see how poorly students who cannot earn a high standardized test score perform at their schools. It’s a given and just a matter of time.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw that Purdue will require SAT/ACT for 2024 grads? Are there any D1 requiring test for 2024?

Some required it for the 2023s. And those schools that say "optional" really prefer the recruits take them.

ugh,

So what happens if you commit to an above average academic school like "Villanova"... get high GPA but not score well on SAT/ACT? Would they still honor the commitment without submitting the score? or would you have to start looking more at lesser academic schools?

Probably have to look at lesser academic school, the minimums the kids are asked to meet aren’t thar high, so unlikely a kid would do well at the school if they could not meet. I’m not sure I would agree that Villanova is an above average academic school though.

to the nova haters: https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/Villanova-admission-requirements

What is this suppose to prove? I still don’t think Villanova is an above average academic school.

Ditto. Totally mediocre school.

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Anonymous wrote:Some schools - especially Ivies and the academies - have been asking for test scores, but the NCAA has served ALL of them with notices that you cannot have two separate requirements for the same class of student. Also the NCAA has already made it clear that tests are optional through 2023, and next month are voting on making it permanent which given the California and Harvard lawsuits, you can reasonably expect this policy to be made permanent. Here's the link to the NCAA governance section - https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/2/16/media-center-proposals-to-drop-test-scores-for-incoming-college-athletes-advance.aspx

Let’s not kid ourselves. This proposal is driven by the big revenue generating sports where the student in student athlete doesn’t really exist for many playing these sports.

There are two distinct tiers of sports in school - revenue and non-revenue. The non-revenue sports exist, especially on the girls side due to Title IX, because the revenue sports allow it. If the SEC and BigTen+ decided that they wanted a better split of the revenue, they could unilaterally end the NCAA. Period. So don't think this proposal has anything to do with the revenue sports. Bigger fish to fry.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw that Purdue will require SAT/ACT for 2024 grads? Are there any D1 requiring test for 2024?

Some required it for the 2023s. And those schools that say "optional" really prefer the recruits take them.

ugh,

So what happens if you commit to an above average academic school like "Villanova"... get high GPA but not score well on SAT/ACT? Would they still honor the commitment without submitting the score? or would you have to start looking more at lesser academic schools?

Probably have to look at lesser academic school, the minimums the kids are asked to meet aren’t thar high, so unlikely a kid would do well at the school if they could not meet. I’m not sure I would agree that Villanova is an above average academic school though.

to the nova haters: https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/Villanova-admission-requirements

What is this suppose to prove? I still don’t think Villanova is an above average academic school.

what is your definition of an above average school? what metrics are you using?

Anonymous wrote:Some schools - especially Ivies and the academies - have been asking for test scores, but the NCAA has served ALL of them with notices that you cannot have two separate requirements for the same class of student. Also the NCAA has already made it clear that tests are optional through 2023, and next month are voting on making it permanent which given the California and Harvard lawsuits, you can reasonably expect this policy to be made permanent. Here's the link to the NCAA governance section - https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/2/16/media-center-proposals-to-drop-test-scores-for-incoming-college-athletes-advance.aspx

Let’s not kid ourselves. This proposal is driven by the big revenue generating sports where the student in student athlete doesn’t really exist for many playing these sports.

Some schools - especially Ivies and the academies - have been asking for test scores, but the NCAA has served ALL of them with notices that you cannot have two separate requirements for the same class of student. Also the NCAA has already made it clear that tests are optional through 2023, and next month are voting on making it permanent which given the California and Harvard lawsuits, you can reasonably expect this policy to be made permanent. Here's the link to the NCAA governance section - https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/2/16/media-center-proposals-to-drop-test-scores-for-incoming-college-athletes-advance.aspx

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw that Purdue will require SAT/ACT for 2024 grads? Are there any D1 requiring test for 2024?

Some required it for the 2023s. And those schools that say "optional" really prefer the recruits take them.

ugh,

So what happens if you commit to an above average academic school like "Villanova"... get high GPA but not score well on SAT/ACT? Would they still honor the commitment without submitting the score? or would you have to start looking more at lesser academic schools?

Probably have to look at lesser academic school, the minimums the kids are asked to meet aren’t thar high, so unlikely a kid would do well at the school if they could not meet. I’m not sure I would agree that Villanova is an above average academic school though.

to the nova haters: https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/Villanova-admission-requirements

What is this suppose to prove? I still don’t think Villanova is an above average academic school.

Does NCAA eligibility still require a test score? If the school is test optional, then I have found that applies to athletes. We have always heard if your scores are high, submit them, which helps with merit.

Think of “test optional” the same way your player would view an “optional practice”; she doesn’t have to do it, but she’s still expected to - and it will distinguish her from those who don’t.

Regardless if a school has a test optional policy, coaches at top academics will still ask if your DD has taken the SAT or ACT.

The job of any player with dreams of playing at a strong academic is to make herself as recruitable as possible.

Being a naturally-gifted athlete and playing on the right team with a history of recruiting success are two parts of this equation.

Having good grades and good scores are the other two.

Meeting a coach’s minimum score threshold makes it easier on them to help a player navigate admissions.

Not taking the test makes a coach’s job harder. You don’t want to make a coach’s job harder.

If your DD doesn’t take the SAT / ACT coaches will ask what her PSAT score is. Students usually take this mid sophomore year and don’t do well because they haven’t prepped for it.

You want to avoid being in this position.

If your DD takes the test and the number meets a coach’s minimum threshold, the player is in good shape. If it’s in the ballpark, the player could be asked to take it again.

Scores still matter. 25s and younger should begin working toward these tests by practicing / tutoring now.

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, every 23 recruit I knew had to submit test scores. It actually seemed pretty much required.

As it should be. If your privileged lacrosse playing kid can’t get a decent score on the STA/ACT, even for a school as mediocre as Villanova, they should really be looking at schools that are a better fit. I mean come on.

As it should be?? Maybe crawl out from under your rock and pay attention to the news - testing is no longer the be all end all to determine a student's college placement. Also, if you're going to say that kids should be able to get a decent score then maybe do a quick spell check before writing STA instead of SAT.

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Anonymous wrote:Anecdotally, every 23 recruit I knew had to submit test scores. It actually seemed pretty much required.

As it should be. If your privileged lacrosse playing kid can’t get a decent score on the STA/ACT, even for a school as mediocre as Villanova, they should really be looking at schools that are a better fit. I mean come on.

Grow up.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw that Purdue will require SAT/ACT for 2024 grads? Are there any D1 requiring test for 2024?

Some required it for the 2023s. And those schools that say "optional" really prefer the recruits take them.

ugh,

So what happens if you commit to an above average academic school like "Villanova"... get high GPA but not score well on SAT/ACT? Would they still honor the commitment without submitting the score? or would you have to start looking more at lesser academic schools?

Probably have to look at lesser academic school, the minimums the kids are asked to meet aren’t thar high, so unlikely a kid would do well at the school if they could not meet. I’m not sure I would agree that Villanova is an above average academic school though.

to the nova haters: https://www.prepscholar.com/sat/s/colleges/Villanova-admission-requirements