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Anonymous wrote:Italy's problem - Not a DCUM problem

It is certainly a US problem too. For anyone who cares about the future for their sons and daughters. Or their nieces and nephews, if they are childfree.

Where is the data that THIS is a US problem.

Anonymous wrote:Italy's problem - Not a DCUM problem

It is certainly a US problem too. For anyone who cares about the future for their sons and daughters. Or their nieces and nephews, if they are childfree.

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Anonymous wrote:Teachers in Italy (and in other countries) give higher grades to girls than boys in math, even when the boys score better on anonymous standardized testing. This impacts higher level education choices and vocation in the future.

https://scitechdaily.com/wide-and-lasting-consequences-teachers-give-girls-higher-grades-than-boys/

What part of a grade is based on behavior and manners, absenteeism, showing your work, following directions, or not turning in work on time?

Unclear.

But on the job all those things matter, not just what you manage to turn in at the last minute whilst going about pissing off everyone for weeks.

Maybe. But flubbing the final product but being a pleasant, neat employee won't make your supervisor happy either.

Stop contorting things. The study is on relative test scores versus relative class grades, and not who’s failing or not.

The study noted that boys received higher scores on the standardized math tests but failing grades in their math classes. Clearly there's a problem somewhere. The researchers had some ideas but no answers. So we are free to speculate.

Getting good scores on tests is a useful skill. As are good classwork, organization, behavior etc. We don't need to denigrate one.

I don't think people are denigrating scoring well on tests. Test aptitude is a mark of knowledge and skill.

However, in the working world, a very knowledgeable person who is disruptive in meetings, misses deadlines, is disorganized and refuses to prepare will be dead weight no matter how smart they actually are. I've worked with people like this and it's a nightmare. Their knowledge and skill is useless because they lack any of the skills that would enable them to contribute.

Meanwhile, someone who doesn't have as much natural aptitude can actually compensate a lot by being diligent, organized, and hard working. They are often able to overcome the knowledge gap simply by working on the material more, and because they are so easy to work with, their knowledge and skill are very easy to put to good use.

Both are valuable but all things being equal, I would hire the graduate who demonstrated strong classroom skills, diligence, and organziation but scored lower on tests, than the one with the high test scores but none of the other skills. If I have to pick.

Italy's problem - Not a DCUM problem

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers in Italy (and in other countries) give higher grades to girls than boys in math, even when the boys score better on anonymous standardized testing. This impacts higher level education choices and vocation in the future.

https://scitechdaily.com/wide-and-lasting-consequences-teachers-give-girls-higher-grades-than-boys/

What part of a grade is based on behavior and manners, absenteeism, showing your work, following directions, or not turning in work on time?

Unclear.

But on the job all those things matter, not just what you manage to turn in at the last minute whilst going about pissing off everyone for weeks.

Maybe. But flubbing the final product but being a pleasant, neat employee won't make your supervisor happy either.

Stop contorting things. The study is on relative test scores versus relative class grades, and not who’s failing or not.

The study noted that boys received higher scores on the standardized math tests but failing grades in their math classes. Clearly there's a problem somewhere. The researchers had some ideas but no answers. So we are free to speculate.

Getting good scores on tests is a useful skill. As are good classwork, organization, behavior etc. We don't need to denigrate one.

My son is the same. He is in 6th grade and gets good grades on tests but gets marked down for not completing the homework the tedious way the teacher wants. He is able to mentally do some steps in his head or find a shortcut so doesn’t write out all the steps. Or if he thinks the homework is easy he won’t bother doing it. His reasoning is if he can get high A’s on the tests which are graded if you get the right answer why should he get marked down on his homework for doing it his way.,
I can see his point.

No one’s going to read your stupid study Op. a test is just one composite of a yearend grade.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers in Italy (and in other countries) give higher grades to girls than boys in math, even when the boys score better on anonymous standardized testing. This impacts higher level education choices and vocation in the future.

https://scitechdaily.com/wide-and-lasting-consequences-teachers-give-girls-higher-grades-than-boys/

What part of a grade is based on behavior and manners, absenteeism, showing your work, following directions, or not turning in work on time?

Unclear.

But on the job all those things matter, not just what you manage to turn in at the last minute whilst going about pissing off everyone for weeks.

Maybe. But flubbing the final product but being a pleasant, neat employee won't make your supervisor happy either.

Stop contorting things. The study is on relative test scores versus relative class grades, and not who’s failing or not.

The study noted that boys received higher scores on the standardized math tests but failing grades in their math classes. Clearly there's a problem somewhere. The researchers had some ideas but no answers. So we are free to speculate.

Getting good scores on tests is a useful skill. As are good classwork, organization, behavior etc. We don't need to denigrate one.

Maybe there’s rampant cheating like in some countries’ entrance exams or even income tax collection.

Anonymous wrote:Good thing we don't live in Italy.

This. Italy is not the U.S. Schools are very different there. Child rearing norms and expectations for schoolchildren are not the same as in the U.S. MRA trolls should find a study about blatant gender discrimination in grading in schools. I’ll wait.

Anonymous wrote:Teachers in Italy (and in other countries) give higher grades to girls than boys in math, even when the boys score better on anonymous standardized testing. This impacts higher level education choices and vocation in the future.

https://scitechdaily.com/wide-and-lasting-consequences-teachers-give-girls-higher-grades-than-boys/

Are there any statistics on what percentage of teachers are men and women?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers in Italy (and in other countries) give higher grades to girls than boys in math, even when the boys score better on anonymous standardized testing. This impacts higher level education choices and vocation in the future.

https://scitechdaily.com/wide-and-lasting-consequences-teachers-give-girls-higher-grades-than-boys/

What part of a grade is based on behavior and manners, absenteeism, showing your work, following directions, or not turning in work on time?

Unclear.

But on the job all those things matter, not just what you manage to turn in at the last minute whilst going about pissing off everyone for weeks.

Maybe. But flubbing the final product but being a pleasant, neat employee won't make your supervisor happy either.

Stop contorting things. The study is on relative test scores versus relative class grades, and not who’s failing or not.

The study noted that boys received higher scores on the standardized math tests but failing grades in their math classes. Clearly there's a problem somewhere. The researchers had some ideas but no answers. So we are free to speculate.

Getting good scores on tests is a useful skill. As are good classwork, organization, behavior etc. We don't need to denigrate one.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers in Italy (and in other countries) give higher grades to girls than boys in math, even when the boys score better on anonymous standardized testing. This impacts higher level education choices and vocation in the future.

https://scitechdaily.com/wide-and-lasting-consequences-teachers-give-girls-higher-grades-than-boys/

What part of a grade is based on behavior and manners, absenteeism, showing your work, following directions, or not turning in work on time?

Unclear.

But on the job all those things matter, not just what you manage to turn in at the last minute whilst going about pissing off everyone for weeks.

Maybe. But flubbing the final product but being a pleasant, neat employee won't make your supervisor happy either.

Stop contorting things. The study is on relative test scores versus relative class grades, and not who’s failing or not.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers in Italy (and in other countries) give higher grades to girls than boys in math, even when the boys score better on anonymous standardized testing. This impacts higher level education choices and vocation in the future.

https://scitechdaily.com/wide-and-lasting-consequences-teachers-give-girls-higher-grades-than-boys/

What part of a grade is based on behavior and manners, absenteeism, showing your work, following directions, or not turning in work on time?

Unclear.

But on the job all those things matter, not just what you manage to turn in at the last minute whilst going about pissing off everyone for weeks.

Maybe. But flubbing the final product but being a pleasant, neat employee won't make your supervisor happy either.

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Anonymous wrote:To me that just means that girls are better students. They tend to study more, so I'd expect them to do better on class room tests. Standardized tests aren't as heavily weighted towards those with good study habits, so I'd expect that advantage to disappear.

yes, my DS in a HS magnet program even says that girls are better students and care way more about grades and school than boys.

Boys are not well suited to the classroom setting of sitting still and listening, and wanting to please the teacher.

Obviously, that doesn't mean that boys aren't smart. But, they aren't school smart as much as girls are, but when they take standardized tests, boys often score better in math, especially.

It is well known in the US that boys score better on tests, including finals and standardized tests, than on classwork, homework, etc., and girls score better on classwork and homework than on big tests. So changing grading to give more weight to classwork, homework, and participation helps girls'grades and hurts boys' grades. Since we want to grade for equity, then we change grades this way. But is it really equitable?

This is why going test optional is not going to help boys.

America going test Optional for k-12, college and grad schools will hurt everyone, big time.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Teachers in Italy (and in other countries) give higher grades to girls than boys in math, even when the boys score better on anonymous standardized testing. This impacts higher level education choices and vocation in the future.

https://scitechdaily.com/wide-and-lasting-consequences-teachers-give-girls-higher-grades-than-boys/

What part of a grade is based on behavior and manners, absenteeism, showing your work, following directions, or not turning in work on time?

Unclear.

But on the job all those things matter, not just what you manage to turn in at the last minute whilst going about pissing off everyone for weeks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To me that just means that girls are better students. They tend to study more, so I'd expect them to do better on class room tests. Standardized tests aren't as heavily weighted towards those with good study habits, so I'd expect that advantage to disappear.

yes, my DS in a HS magnet program even says that girls are better students and care way more about grades and school than boys.

Boys are not well suited to the classroom setting of sitting still and listening, and wanting to please the teacher.

Obviously, that doesn't mean that boys aren't smart. But, they aren't school smart as much as girls are, but when they take standardized tests, boys often score better in math, especially.

It is well known in the US that boys score better on tests, including finals and standardized tests, than on classwork, homework, etc., and girls score better on classwork and homework than on big tests. So changing grading to give more weight to classwork, homework, and participation helps girls'grades and hurts boys' grades. Since we want to grade for equity, then we change grades this way. But is it really equitable?

This is why going test optional is not going to help boys.