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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what it involves, but it just showed up in case search. Surprised (not) that the press hasn't caught on yet.

How did you find it? Isn’t the name not public ?

It’s the mom, whose name is public because she has been interviewed, suing mcps and the county.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This does not make any sense. If I went shopping at Target and someone came in to shoot me, I am not suing Target…

are you forced to be at target? There are laws forcing you to attend schools . If that’s the case then schools need to provide safety

Reasonable safety. They can't account for a lone crazy person.

Anonymous wrote:This will reveal the gang activity in Mcps which the plea deal tried to avoid

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what it involves, but it just showed up in case search. Surprised (not) that the press hasn't caught on yet.

How did you find it? Isn’t the name not public ?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This does not make any sense. If I went shopping at Target and someone came in to shoot me, I am not suing Target…

are you forced to be at target? There are laws forcing you to attend schools . If that’s the case then schools need to provide safety

Anonymous wrote:This does not make any sense. If I went shopping at Target and someone came in to shoot me, I am not suing Target…

Anonymous wrote:Not sure what it involves, but it just showed up in case search. Surprised (not) that the press hasn't caught on yet.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This does not make any sense. If I went shopping at Target and someone came in to shoot me, I am not suing Target…

Marc Elrich unilaterally removed SROs. There was no reason to do this, other than he just doesn't like them. The political winds of the time support him.

The school system decided it wants to move to restorative justice as a disciplinary framework. They restructure the old SRO MOU to make it so police rarely can set foot on a campus and even then it has to be in response to something horrible. They've all voluntarily removed any violence prevention practices. So now MCPS is completely and solely responsible for student safety.

They promote the concept that failing mental health is the reason for violence. It's not. They pledge to increase mental health support to schools. That goal is delayed. Not that it would help anyway. (It is helpful to kids, particularly those who want to harm themselves, but much less so for typical violence).

I have heard they got rid of police presence on the behavioral threat assessment teams that would see if threats of violence had any credibility. Not sure if that's true, but if it is, IMO, it's utter negligence.

The restorative justice focus is on the perpetrator and helping to support/reform him/her. Which is great. But they have zero focus on victims or future victims. That's a big gap in trying to provide a safe school climate.

They aren't transparent on data and outcomes, other than tracking how many students are arrested or suspended. There is no data on whether specific kids reoffend, or whether specific students are repeatedly victimized. We don't know if victimization has increased or decreased. We don't know how or if schools keep other students safe from violent re-offenders.

For kids ages 12-18, school is statistically a more dangerous place to be than away from school. MCPS knows this.

Maryland state law just changed so police can't question kids under 18 without letting them consult with an attorney. If there is an emergent dangerous situation, like another school shooting or some other type of significant violent act where more than one kid is involved, the police can't question one to figure out how to stop the other(s) from harming other kids.

Maryland state law also changed so that kids under 13 can't be subjected to the juvenile justice system at all. There is no gateway into diversion, mental health assistance, substance abuse treatment, etc. for the very youngest offenders.

The entire violence prevention framework we've had in place for years has been derailed, and kids are living through an experiment. It's not working. But again, nobody really knows that because MCPS isn't held accountable by anyone.

So you’re blaming a prior shooting on recent changes to the State law?

No, I'm saying Montgomery County better wake up to the fact legislators and schools systems are dismantling student safety right before our eyes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This does not make any sense. If I went shopping at Target and someone came in to shoot me, I am not suing Target…

Marc Elrich unilaterally removed SROs. There was no reason to do this, other than he just doesn't like them. The political winds of the time support him.

The school system decided it wants to move to restorative justice as a disciplinary framework. They restructure the old SRO MOU to make it so police rarely can set foot on a campus and even then it has to be in response to something horrible. They've all voluntarily removed any violence prevention practices. So now MCPS is completely and solely responsible for student safety.

They promote the concept that failing mental health is the reason for violence. It's not. They pledge to increase mental health support to schools. That goal is delayed. Not that it would help anyway. (It is helpful to kids, particularly those who want to harm themselves, but much less so for typical violence).

I have heard they got rid of police presence on the behavioral threat assessment teams that would see if threats of violence had any credibility. Not sure if that's true, but if it is, IMO, it's utter negligence.

The restorative justice focus is on the perpetrator and helping to support/reform him/her. Which is great. But they have zero focus on victims or future victims. That's a big gap in trying to provide a safe school climate.

They aren't transparent on data and outcomes, other than tracking how many students are arrested or suspended. There is no data on whether specific kids reoffend, or whether specific students are repeatedly victimized. We don't know if victimization has increased or decreased. We don't know how or if schools keep other students safe from violent re-offenders.

For kids ages 12-18, school is statistically a more dangerous place to be than away from school. MCPS knows this.

Maryland state law just changed so police can't question kids under 18 without letting them consult with an attorney. If there is an emergent dangerous situation, like another school shooting or some other type of significant violent act where more than one kid is involved, the police can't question one to figure out how to stop the other(s) from harming other kids.

Maryland state law also changed so that kids under 13 can't be subjected to the juvenile justice system at all. There is no gateway into diversion, mental health assistance, substance abuse treatment, etc. for the very youngest offenders.

The entire violence prevention framework we've had in place for years has been derailed, and kids are living through an experiment. It's not working. But again, nobody really knows that because MCPS isn't held accountable by anyone.

So you’re blaming a prior shooting on recent changes to the State law?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This does not make any sense. If I went shopping at Target and someone came in to shoot me, I am not suing Target…

Marc Elrich unilaterally removed SROs. There was no reason to do this, other than he just doesn't like them. The political winds of the time support him.

The school system decided it wants to move to restorative justice as a disciplinary framework. They restructure the old SRO MOU to make it so police rarely can set foot on a campus and even then it has to be in response to something horrible. They've all voluntarily removed any violence prevention practices. So now MCPS is completely and solely responsible for student safety.

They promote the concept that failing mental health is the reason for violence. It's not. They pledge to increase mental health support to schools. That goal is delayed. Not that it would help anyway. (It is helpful to kids, particularly those who want to harm themselves, but much less so for typical violence).

I have heard they got rid of police presence on the behavioral threat assessment teams that would see if threats of violence had any credibility. Not sure if that's true, but if it is, IMO, it's utter negligence.

The restorative justice focus is on the perpetrator and helping to support/reform him/her. Which is great. But they have zero focus on victims or future victims. That's a big gap in trying to provide a safe school climate.

They aren't transparent on data and outcomes, other than tracking how many students are arrested or suspended. There is no data on whether specific kids reoffend, or whether specific students are repeatedly victimized. We don't know if victimization has increased or decreased. We don't know how or if schools keep other students safe from violent re-offenders.

For kids ages 12-18, school is statistically a more dangerous place to be than away from school. MCPS knows this.

Maryland state law just changed so police can't question kids under 18 without letting them consult with an attorney. If there is an emergent dangerous situation, like another school shooting or some other type of significant violent act where more than one kid is involved, the police can't question one to figure out how to stop the other(s) from harming other kids.

Maryland state law also changed so that kids under 13 can't be subjected to the juvenile justice system at all. There is no gateway into diversion, mental health assistance, substance abuse treatment, etc. for the very youngest offenders.

The entire violence prevention framework we've had in place for years has been derailed, and kids are living through an experiment. It's not working. But again, nobody really knows that because MCPS isn't held accountable by anyone.

Kids can’t possibly be expected to understand their legal rights and are highly susceptible to coercion during interrogations. Kids absolutely shouldn’t be subject to custodial interrogation without legal counsel and parental notification. The law does have a broad “public safety” exception, although I would hope the courts would almost always prevent such statements from being used against the child in a criminal proceeding. The law is pretty clear they can be used against *other* individuals in court, though (which is also a problem, but maybe juries can sort out the reliability of such statements).

Kids charged with serious offenses can go through the criminal justice system. The US has been an outlier here. Heck, even Afghanistan has a minimum age of criminal responsibility of 12.

I generally support SROs, since I think it is good to have specially-trained officers for schools, but I really don’t see how maintaining SROs would have prevented the shooting.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This does not make any sense. If I went shopping at Target and someone came in to shoot me, I am not suing Target…

Marc Elrich unilaterally removed SROs. There was no reason to do this, other than he just doesn't like them. The political winds of the time support him.

The school system decided it wants to move to restorative justice as a disciplinary framework. They restructure the old SRO MOU to make it so police rarely can set foot on a campus and even then it has to be in response to something horrible. They've all voluntarily removed any violence prevention practices. So now MCPS is completely and solely responsible for student safety.

They promote the concept that failing mental health is the reason for violence. It's not. They pledge to increase mental health support to schools. That goal is delayed. Not that it would help anyway. (It is helpful to kids, particularly those who want to harm themselves, but much less so for typical violence).

I have heard they got rid of police presence on the behavioral threat assessment teams that would see if threats of violence had any credibility. Not sure if that's true, but if it is, IMO, it's utter negligence.

The restorative justice focus is on the perpetrator and helping to support/reform him/her. Which is great. But they have zero focus on victims or future victims. That's a big gap in trying to provide a safe school climate.

They aren't transparent on data and outcomes, other than tracking how many students are arrested or suspended. There is no data on whether specific kids reoffend, or whether specific students are repeatedly victimized. We don't know if victimization has increased or decreased. We don't know how or if schools keep other students safe from violent re-offenders.

For kids ages 12-18, school is statistically a more dangerous place to be than away from school. MCPS knows this.

Maryland state law just changed so police can't question kids under 18 without letting them consult with an attorney. If there is an emergent dangerous situation, like another school shooting or some other type of significant violent act where more than one kid is involved, the police can't question one to figure out how to stop the other(s) from harming other kids.

Maryland state law also changed so that kids under 13 can't be subjected to the juvenile justice system at all. There is no gateway into diversion, mental health assistance, substance abuse treatment, etc. for the very youngest offenders.

The entire violence prevention framework we've had in place for years has been derailed, and kids are living through an experiment. It's not working. But again, nobody really knows that because MCPS isn't held accountable by anyone.