Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

I live in a border city, just a few miles from Mexico.

People aren’t sneaking across for healthcare. Quite the opposite, they generally refuse to get medical treatment because they don’t want to be deported.

They generally come here to work hard labor jobs like construction, get paid less than minimum wage under the table, so they can send the money back home. People complain but don’t realize that without them, house prices would probably double because you’d have to pay Americans a living wage to do construction, cap the workweek at 40 hours (or else have to pay time and a half), and hire twice as many people.

Also, like…they’re people. I don’t mind giving human beings medical care. Many clinics here offer free or sliding scale services to help out people because it’s the right thing to do.

So bizarre to me how conservatives claim to promote family values and be pro-life, when there are millions of human beings they would happily watch suffer and die.

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Anonymous wrote:You clearly have never had to use healthcare from military care facilities. There are *lots* of problems with government run healthcare. Civilian care is much more efficient.

I always hear people say that, but I’ve been to some truly horribly run, inefficient civilian healthcare clinics. My sister is a physician and I’ve seen how things are run behind-the-scenes, and it’s BAD.

For sure there are good ones but let’s stop pretending private health care is all a well-oiled machine run by slick businesspeople. Most have no clue what they’re doing.

And you have the choice to go elsewhere. If it's your only option, you're stuck with it. People tell me all the time how lucky I am for my healthcare that costs nothing at an MTF, and then two friends came to visit me when I had a baby and were shocked at the level of care. They changed their opinion quickly.
Giving the government a bigger hand in it is not the solution. Insurance reform is where it needs to start.

DP.. sure, we need insurance reform. ACA tried to address some of it. But, Rs don't want anymore regulation. Again, the problem is with the Rs who obstruct any attempt to fix healthcare.

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Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

How do you feel about the fact that kids go to public schools who aren't documented? Do you think kids have more or less of a right to basic healthcare or basic education?

NP but this is killing our public schools too.

WV have very very few illegal immigrants, yet their schools aren't doing that well, either.

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Anonymous wrote:You clearly have never had to use healthcare from military care facilities. There are *lots* of problems with government run healthcare. Civilian care is much more efficient.

I always hear people say that, but I’ve been to some truly horribly run, inefficient civilian healthcare clinics. My sister is a physician and I’ve seen how things are run behind-the-scenes, and it’s BAD.

For sure there are good ones but let’s stop pretending private health care is all a well-oiled machine run by slick businesspeople. Most have no clue what they’re doing.

And you have the choice to go elsewhere. If it's your only option, you're stuck with it. People tell me all the time how lucky I am for my healthcare that costs nothing at an MTF, and then two friends came to visit me when I had a baby and were shocked at the level of care. They changed their opinion quickly.
Giving the government a bigger hand in it is not the solution. Insurance reform is where it needs to start.

Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

the vast majority of illegal immigrants do not go to those countries for the socialized medicine. They go because of job opportunities.

But, even in states with very very little immigrant population, they don't want socialized care.

The people of SD only just recently voted to expand medicaid in this past election. Noem didn't want it, but the people did. The problem is Rs, not illegal immigrants who don't even qualify for ACA.

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Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

How do you feel about the fact that kids go to public schools who aren't documented? Do you think kids have more or less of a right to basic healthcare or basic education?

NP but this is killing our public schools too.

Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

Right, that’s why millions of Americans sneak across the border into Canada to get free healthcare 🙄

Anonymous wrote: As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

How do you feel about the fact that kids go to public schools who aren't documented? Do you think kids have more or less of a right to basic healthcare or basic education?

Anonymous wrote:Honestly it’s not that different than what we do now. The poorest people have Medicaid. The wealthiest people pay more for better quality. The only difference is that some people “opt out” and don’t pay for anything.

but those who "opt out" expect the services to be there when they need it. ACA ensured that they could do that, but it came with a cost. Those same people who opted out is partly what caused the ACA to almost collapse. Very selfish.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't get it either OP. Our taxes already pay for the most expensive people to have healthcare (old people and disabled people) so what's the big deal offering it to us relatively healthly folks too?

One “big deal” is that many people stay in toxic job situations to maintain health care coverage for themselves and their families— particularly if pre-existing conditions are an issue. So some corporate powers may not like this. Others — whose business plan includes having massive numbers of low paid employees on Medicaid and even food stamps might be fine with it.

Another big deal is that some people— many receiving publicly funded benefits of many kinds themselves— don’t want “others” to “leech off the public teat” or something, something.

Decades of effective propaganda. Just mumble “communist” or “socialist “ and that’s enough for some people to be vehemently against it. Yes, folks, even those people who enjoy using interstate highways, national parks, and taking advantage of mortgage deductions.

It would be so much cheaper to have basic medical coverage for everyone— with additional private coverage for people who want it.

I think this person you are quoting and aruging with is agreeing with you.

Anonymous wrote:You clearly have never had to use healthcare from military care facilities. There are *lots* of problems with government run healthcare. Civilian care is much more efficient.

I always hear people say that, but I’ve been to some truly horribly run, inefficient civilian healthcare clinics. My sister is a physician and I’ve seen how things are run behind-the-scenes, and it’s BAD.

For sure there are good ones but let’s stop pretending private health care is all a well-oiled machine run by slick businesspeople. Most have no clue what they’re doing.

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Anonymous wrote:You clearly have never had to use healthcare from military care facilities. There are *lots* of problems with government run healthcare. Civilian care is much more efficient.

I'm not OP, but paying for it doesn't have to translate into running it.

Right, and many people pay school taxes for their children and the children of others to pay, but 1) don't have their own kids, and/or 2) send their kids to private school, thereby not really gaining first hand from the taxes they are paying for schools.

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Anonymous wrote:You clearly have never had to use healthcare from military care facilities. There are *lots* of problems with government run healthcare. Civilian care is much more efficient.

If you think going to a profit minded doctor is in your best interest you are kidding yourself. Doctors make decision$ to benefit their own wallets instead of your health. It's nuts.

If you think taking the profit out of it gets you motivated, hard working doctors, you're just as nuts!
Yes, removing the profits makes them less incentivized to do procedures....and everything else. You end up with employees who don't work nearly as hard because there is no incentive to. It's extremely inefficient.

As a conservative I would be more than willing to institute this provided we end birthright citizenship, deport all illegal immigrants, and end chain migration of non-working foreign relatives. Socialized healthcare is too much of an incentive for people who haven't paid into the system.

Anonymous wrote:You clearly have never had to use healthcare from military care facilities. There are *lots* of problems with government run healthcare. Civilian care is much more efficient.

If you think going to a profit minded doctor is in your best interest you are kidding yourself. Doctors make decision$ to benefit their own wallets instead of your health. It's nuts.