Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:41     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Many top schools do not have undergraduate business but still place undergraduates in business.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:41     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
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Anonymous wrote:Business prof again: Of course there are good schools like Penn/Wharton and Cornell with undergrad business. Others like Princeton and Northwestern have economics and applied economics with a lot of business overlap. Those students have no trouble getting business jobs.

Northwestern has cold winters. Brown strikes me as a pleasant, liberal arts environment. They have an economics major. I would not want my kid in NYC, but some people would love Columbia. These considerations override any differences in rankings. I would rather have a happy business graduate from UVA than a homesick dropout from an expensive school.



I have been working in financial services for the past twenty five years, the first five years with GS and the past fifteen years with BoA, Carlyle, and Blackstone.  The school where you attended only matters if you don't know anyone there and you still have a big hurdle to climb; however, most of the candidates at those firms already have inside connections.  The reason I got a shot at GS was because one of my best friends' father was a SVP at GS.  I also went to a no name university but I got the job at GS because of the connection.


OP here. I know you're right about the connection. So if we're a family with no connection, does that mean my dc needs to go to Harvard to have a chance?


ugh and my brother graduated with a MATH degree from UVA and then went to a top MBA school a few years later and has been working at all the big banks on Wall Street his entire career. No, the choice is not between Harvard and connections.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:38     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Anonymous wrote:Just do instate UVA and if the business school doesn’t work out major in Econ.


THIS. it's not all that hard to get into McIntire anyway, they routinely take about 60%. Average GPA for 2022 was 3.74. Yes its competitive but if you get good grades and are active in related volunteer organizations and clubs, its not bad at all. Those who don't make it, major in econ or something else and works out just fine.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:38     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
I'd suggest you look at Poets&Quants. It is about the only good source on undergraduate business schools I see out there.

If you really just want to study business, you might want to consider applying to direct admit programs. UVA is not direct admit for business. They do that to try to produce more well rounded graduates and protect the A&S program, but it introduces another admission hurdle for students who just want to study business. I think the McIntire admission rate is about 50%.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:37     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Business prof again: Of course there are good schools like Penn/Wharton and Cornell with undergrad business. Others like Princeton and Northwestern have economics and applied economics with a lot of business overlap. Those students have no trouble getting business jobs.

Northwestern has cold winters. Brown strikes me as a pleasant, liberal arts environment. They have an economics major. I would not want my kid in NYC, but some people would love Columbia. These considerations override any differences in rankings. I would rather have a happy business graduate from UVA than a homesick dropout from an expensive school.



I have been working in financial services for the past twenty five years, the first five years with GS and the past fifteen years with BoA, Carlyle, and Blackstone.  The school where you attended only matters if you don't know anyone there and you still have a big hurdle to climb; however, most of the candidates at those firms already have inside connections.  The reason I got a shot at GS was because one of my best friends' father was a SVP at GS.  I also went to a no name university but I got the job at GS because of the connection.


OP here. I know you're right about the connection. So if we're a family with no connection, does that mean my dc needs to go to Harvard to have a chance?
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:34     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Anonymous wrote:Business prof again: Of course there are good schools like Penn/Wharton and Cornell with undergrad business. Others like Princeton and Northwestern have economics and applied economics with a lot of business overlap. Those students have no trouble getting business jobs.

Northwestern has cold winters. Brown strikes me as a pleasant, liberal arts environment. They have an economics major. I would not want my kid in NYC, but some people would love Columbia. These considerations override any differences in rankings. I would rather have a happy business graduate from UVA than a homesick dropout from an expensive school.


https://economics.brown.edu/academics/undergraduate/concentrations/economics/business-track-ab

This is basically a flavor of Business major
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:31     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Anonymous wrote:Business prof again: Of course there are good schools like Penn/Wharton and Cornell with undergrad business. Others like Princeton and Northwestern have economics and applied economics with a lot of business overlap. Those students have no trouble getting business jobs.

Northwestern has cold winters. Brown strikes me as a pleasant, liberal arts environment. They have an economics major. I would not want my kid in NYC, but some people would love Columbia. These considerations override any differences in rankings. I would rather have a happy business graduate from UVA than a homesick dropout from an expensive school.



I have been working in financial services for the past twenty five years, the first five years with GS and the past fifteen years with BoA, Carlyle, and Blackstone.  The school where you attended only matters if you don't know anyone there and you still have a big hurdle to climb; however, most of the candidates at those firms already have inside connections.  The reason I got a shot at GS was because one of my best friends' father was a SVP at GS.  I also went to a no name university but I got the job at GS because of the connection.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:16     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Business prof again: Of course there are good schools like Penn/Wharton and Cornell with undergrad business. Others like Princeton and Northwestern have economics and applied economics with a lot of business overlap. Those students have no trouble getting business jobs.

Northwestern has cold winters. Brown strikes me as a pleasant, liberal arts environment. They have an economics major. I would not want my kid in NYC, but some people would love Columbia. These considerations override any differences in rankings. I would rather have a happy business graduate from UVA than a homesick dropout from an expensive school.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:14     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Anonymous wrote:Business professor here. Business is a professional field, not an academic one. So, it is possible for an undergrad to get a bad education by selecting unrelated business courses in marketing, finance, organizational behavior, and manufacturing. This is much less likely in Math, English, or Economics.

You only take half your courses in your major, and there is no guarantee that your child will ultimately choose business. So I would put heavy weight on the school. As you surely noticed, most Ivy League schools and top colleges lack a business major. UVA is a good school, but I would strongly consider a school like Northwestern, Brown, or Columbia without undergrad business.

Of course, UVA in-state tuition might be much cheaper, and it might be better for your child to stay closer to home.


You don't sound like you know what you are talking about.
I would trust more of the major finance and consulting companies.
They target business majors at schools like MIT, Cornell, NYU, UPENN, Notre Dame, UMich, Berkeley, Emory, CMU, UVA etc. etc.
The trend is top schools are adding Buiness flavored programs
Brown recently added Business Track on it's Econ major.
Vanderbilt added Business Minor to it's Econ major.
Rice recently added undergrad Business major.



Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:06     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Just do instate UVA and if the business school doesn’t work out major in Econ.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:02     Subject: UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Business professor here. Business is a professional field, not an academic one. So, it is possible for an undergrad to get a bad education by selecting unrelated business courses in marketing, finance, organizational behavior, and manufacturing. This is much less likely in Math, English, or Economics.

You only take half your courses in your major, and there is no guarantee that your child will ultimately choose business. So I would put heavy weight on the school. As you surely noticed, most Ivy League schools and top colleges lack a business major. UVA is a good school, but I would strongly consider a school like Northwestern, Brown, or Columbia without undergrad business.

Of course, UVA in-state tuition might be much cheaper, and it might be better for your child to stay closer to home.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 11:01     Subject: Re:UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Anonymous wrote:Honestly, having to wait for admittance to the business school tremendously reduces the attraction of both UVa and W&M. Why would you go to a school where you might not be able to pursue your desired major? I know people take the chance, but it just seems silly to me. I'll suggest my kids go out of state before pursuing that route.


Yes the gambling aspect is a big turn off.

Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 10:59     Subject: Re:UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
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Anonymous wrote:Direct admission to McIntire?


There is no direct admit to McIntire. You apply to arts & science and then transfer after 2 years. Different from Michigan Ross.


I was told that there's some sort of honor/scholar program which offer direct or guranteed admission to McIntire, if so it's a great deal especially for Instate


Are you referring to the Jefferson Scholars program ?


yes that was the name, does Jefferson Scholars program guraantee admission to McIntire?


You are exhausting. Absolutely exhausting.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 10:55     Subject: Re:UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Honestly, having to wait for admittance to the business school tremendously reduces the attraction of both UVa and W&M. Why would you go to a school where you might not be able to pursue your desired major? I know people take the chance, but it just seems silly to me. I'll suggest my kids go out of state before pursuing that route.
Anonymous
Post 11/08/2022 10:02     Subject: Re:UVA McIntire or top 15 school?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Direct admission to McIntire?


There is no direct admit to McIntire. You apply to arts & science and then transfer after 2 years. Different from Michigan Ross.


I was told that there's some sort of honor/scholar program which offer direct or guranteed admission to McIntire, if so it's a great deal especially for Instate


Are you referring to the Jefferson Scholars program ?


yes that was the name, does Jefferson Scholars program guraantee admission to McIntire?