Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 12:09     Subject: Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
Like PPs have said. It's the whole point of a crosswalk. Pedestrians have right of way and cars have to be prepared to stop. But many don't. Using a crosswalk as a pedestrian feels abnormally dangerous in this country. Drivers won't stop for you, particularly at those right turns on red.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 12:08     Subject: Re:Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
They should do those blinking lights on Reno Rd
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 12:05     Subject: Re:Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
The city just installed a blinking lights you can push before crossing, but drivers don't pay attention to it. So I continue to play frogger every morning walking across MLK Blvd. Wait and run is safer expecting people to stop.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 12:03     Subject: Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
Anonymous wrote:Before the signs, of course the driver of a car would stop if a walker was in the cross walk... BUT the walker would not enter the crosswalk if they saw a car approaching... it's what your parents taught you, don't walk out in front of a moving car.

BUT now, people old enough to know better and the younger generation head directly into the cross walk, frequently without hesitation, in front of an on coming car. As a driver I have seen walkers 6-12 feet from the curb, head directly into the cross walk even though they see the oncoming car. Why would they trust that the incoming car would stop just because they now have the right of way ??? It's like they feel entitled to make the car stop.

Can we go back to crossing when traffic is clear ???

That's the advice our parents gave us.


That was never the rule. The rule is that pedestrians have the right of way at a crosswalk. The drivers have to stop. You should have your license taken away
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 12:01     Subject: Re:Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
Anonymous wrote:If I see someone on the curb ahead, I slow significantly. I actually hate it when people stop and wait for me to stop before even beginning to walk across the street. By slowing, I gave them plenty of time to get going, but half the time they wait until I am waving them across the street. It takes twice the time for both of us.


Well, blame OP and their ilk who blow through the crosswalks and expect the pedestrians to wait for them
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 12:01     Subject: Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
Young people have been walking into crosswalks without looking as long as I've been alive and I'm 40 and grew up in a place with zero signs telling drivers to stop (and they mostly didn't stop).

As a driver, my first responsibility is to make sure that I'm operating my vehicle safely. On a lot of streets that means keeping my eye on the sidewalks and proactively stopping for people who might enter the street. I don't worry about what other people should be doing, I worry about what I should be doing.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 12:00     Subject: Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Before the signs, of course the driver of a car would stop if a walker was in the cross walk... BUT the walker would not enter the crosswalk if they saw a car approaching... it's what your parents taught you, don't walk out in front of a moving car.

BUT now, people old enough to know better and the younger generation head directly into the cross walk, frequently without hesitation, in front of an on coming car. As a driver I have seen walkers 6-12 feet from the curb, head directly into the cross walk even though they see the oncoming car. Why would they trust that the incoming car would stop just because they now have the right of way ??? It's like they feel entitled to make the car stop.

Can we go back to crossing when traffic is clear ???

That's the advice our parents gave us.


But they ARE entitled to make the car stop. That's the actual purpose of the crosswalk -- so that cars will stop and yield to pedestrians.


I think OP’s point is that they don’t even look which gives you zero margin for error. Technically they are supposed to make eye contact with the driver before they cross. The process is supposed to take long and be safe.


Please point us to the law that says a pedestrian must make eye contact with the driver before entering the crosswalk?
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 11:59     Subject: Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
Anonymous wrote:Before the signs, of course the driver of a car would stop if a walker was in the cross walk... BUT the walker would not enter the crosswalk if they saw a car approaching... it's what your parents taught you, don't walk out in front of a moving car.

BUT now, people old enough to know better and the younger generation head directly into the cross walk, frequently without hesitation, in front of an on coming car. As a driver I have seen walkers 6-12 feet from the curb, head directly into the cross walk even though they see the oncoming car. Why would they trust that the incoming car would stop just because they now have the right of way ??? It's like they feel entitled to make the car stop.

Can we go back to crossing when traffic is clear ???

That's the advice our parents gave us.


They are entitled to that though? It's the law

That said, I don't trust DMV drivers as far as I can throw their cars. So, depending on the crosswalk, I often wait. At a Reno Rd. crosswalk you are taking your life in your hands, especially after dark
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 11:58     Subject: Re:Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
Anonymous wrote:I'm not naive... I don't walk in front of a moving car... and I accelerate to a jog if I'm already in cross walk and see a car approaching... momma didn't raise an (entitled) dummy.


But they have to stop. Its a law!
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 11:53     Subject: Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
Anonymous wrote:There's a difference between _in_ and _entering_.


If you enter it, you are in it.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 11:51     Subject: Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Before the signs, of course the driver of a car would stop if a walker was in the cross walk... BUT the walker would not enter the crosswalk if they saw a car approaching... it's what your parents taught you, don't walk out in front of a moving car.

BUT now, people old enough to know better and the younger generation head directly into the cross walk, frequently without hesitation, in front of an on coming car. As a driver I have seen walkers 6-12 feet from the curb, head directly into the cross walk even though they see the oncoming car. Why would they trust that the incoming car would stop just because they now have the right of way ??? It's like they feel entitled to make the car stop.

Can we go back to crossing when traffic is clear ???

That's the advice our parents gave us.


But they ARE entitled to make the car stop. That's the actual purpose of the crosswalk -- so that cars will stop and yield to pedestrians.


I think OP’s point is that they don’t even look which gives you zero margin for error. Technically they are supposed to make eye contact with the driver before they cross. The process is supposed to take long and be safe.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 11:47     Subject: Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
Anonymous wrote:Before the signs, of course the driver of a car would stop if a walker was in the cross walk... BUT the walker would not enter the crosswalk if they saw a car approaching... it's what your parents taught you, don't walk out in front of a moving car.

BUT now, people old enough to know better and the younger generation head directly into the cross walk, frequently without hesitation, in front of an on coming car. As a driver I have seen walkers 6-12 feet from the curb, head directly into the cross walk even though they see the oncoming car. Why would they trust that the incoming car would stop just because they now have the right of way ??? It's like they feel entitled to make the car stop.

Can we go back to crossing when traffic is clear ???

That's the advice our parents gave us.


But they ARE entitled to make the car stop. That's the actual purpose of the crosswalk -- so that cars will stop and yield to pedestrians.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 09:38     Subject: Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
There's a difference between _in_ and _entering_.
Anonymous
Post 11/02/2022 09:18     Subject: Re:Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
If I see someone on the curb ahead, I slow significantly. I actually hate it when people stop and wait for me to stop before even beginning to walk across the street. By slowing, I gave them plenty of time to get going, but half the time they wait until I am waving them across the street. It takes twice the time for both of us.
Anonymous
Post 11/01/2022 23:20     Subject: Have the new "Stop for Pedestrian in Xwalk" signs ruined the car/pedestrian dynamic ???
If cars don’t stop for you in crosswalks, you can report it here. Keep in mind you are not reporting the driver or the car, just the instance at that crosswalk. It is used by law enforcement and county engineers to drive change.
https://survey123.arcgis.com/share/a6dfdc029269422fa0dcb37e61cdd76f