Anonymous
11/01/2022 11:56
Subject: Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
Anonymous wrote:didn't you post about this before?
Totally. I think op might be stalking this person
Anonymous
11/01/2022 11:56
Subject: Re:Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
Maybe she has a doctorate from an unaccredited program. So she has “earned” a doctorate and uses the title — but from an unaccredited program that is not useful, relevant, or acceptable as a credential for licensing.
Anonymous
11/01/2022 11:49
Subject: Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:Anonymous wrote:She didn’t lie to FCPS or VDOE based on your OP, so it’s not a licensing/credentials issue. Just write her an email and tell her to stop doing this if it’s so important to you. This isn’t something to report to anyone.
Yes - I think this makes sense. As the PP asked - what consequences do I want? Or the other PP who said what a fool I will feel when it turns out she does have a doctorate and just doesn't want to report it --
I think I would feel GREAT if it turns out VADOE was wrong. YAY - she can report it and get a pay raise!!
And if she really doesn't have it -- I think I would just like to see her be called Ms. or Mrs. X.
That's it -- order restored. No "alternative facts" -- no playing doctor.
So I sent her an email this morning -- and referenced that I did talk to both of her Assistant Principals last year about this.
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Hi -
Not sure if you are aware, but your PhD in Education studies does not appear on the Virginia Department of Education licensing website.
https://vadoe.mylicense.com/verification/Search.aspx?facility=N
It looks like you just renewed your license in June of this year (since it doesn't expire until 2032).
I apologize for never asking you directly where you received your doctorate -- I did ask XXXX and XXXX last December, but they couldn't tell me.
Anyway - since this database is accessible to the public -- thought you should know that your teaching license isn't reflecting your doctorate.
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PP who asked why I had not just asked her before - well, given all the stuff that went on her in classroom -- things she would tell me about my child (or was said about other kids) that could not be corroborated by other teachers etc -- I figured she wouldn't necessarily tell me anyway -- so I let it go from last December.
I didn't see this VADOC website database until someone on DC URBAN MOM posted about it this summer or so in reference to teachers being hired with provisional licensing etc. That's when I looked her up and found that she didn't have a PhD or EdD listed.
Let us know how she responds.
Anonymous
11/01/2022 11:23
Subject: Re:Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.
This would be fraudulent. Being ABD is not even close to earning the actual Ph.D. I say this as someone who is ABD myself.
I don't think it's fraudulent to call yourself Dr. and let people assume you have a doctorate. If you submit a false credential that would be fraud.
FCPSAlumnowMom
11/01/2022 11:19
Subject: Re:Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
Anonymous wrote:I just looked up my friend and it says "Postgraduate Professional License" which doesn't really indicate whether it's a master's or doctorate.
Keep clicking...
Once you do the search and their name pops up, yes, it will say Postgraduate Professional License for many of the FCPS teachers --
click on their name -- this opens another window that shows their Education (what degrees they have), their Active License(s) and Expiration date, and Endorsements (PreK-6 vs special ed, reading, etc etc)
And to the PP who said maybe it's in something that doesn't pertain to teaching -- I know a HS teacher with a Juris Doctorate (law degree) it's listed and she is paid for that.
Anonymous
11/01/2022 11:10
Subject: Re:Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
I just looked up my friend and it says "Postgraduate Professional License" which doesn't really indicate whether it's a master's or doctorate.
Anonymous
11/01/2022 11:07
Subject: Re:Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.
This would be fraudulent. Being ABD is not even close to earning the actual Ph.D. I say this as someone who is ABD myself.
FCPSAlumnowMom
11/01/2022 11:03
Subject: Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
Anonymous wrote:She didn’t lie to FCPS or VDOE based on your OP, so it’s not a licensing/credentials issue. Just write her an email and tell her to stop doing this if it’s so important to you. This isn’t something to report to anyone.
Yes - I think this makes sense. As the PP asked - what consequences do I want? Or the other PP who said what a fool I will feel when it turns out she does have a doctorate and just doesn't want to report it --
I think I would feel GREAT if it turns out VADOE was wrong. YAY - she can report it and get a pay raise!!
And if she really doesn't have it -- I think I would just like to see her be called Ms. or Mrs. X.
That's it -- order restored. No "alternative facts" -- no playing doctor.
So I sent her an email this morning -- and referenced that I did talk to both of her Assistant Principals last year about this.
****************************
Hi -
Not sure if you are aware, but your PhD in Education studies does not appear on the Virginia Department of Education licensing website.
https://vadoe.mylicense.com/verification/Search.aspx?facility=N
It looks like you just renewed your license in June of this year (since it doesn't expire until 2032).
I apologize for never asking you directly where you received your doctorate -- I did ask XXXX and XXXX last December, but they couldn't tell me.
Anyway - since this database is accessible to the public -- thought you should know that your teaching license isn't reflecting your doctorate.
*************************************
PP who asked why I had not just asked her before - well, given all the stuff that went on her in classroom -- things she would tell me about my child (or was said about other kids) that could not be corroborated by other teachers etc -- I figured she wouldn't necessarily tell me anyway -- so I let it go from last December.
I didn't see this VADOC website database until someone on DC URBAN MOM posted about it this summer or so in reference to teachers being hired with provisional licensing etc. That's when I looked her up and found that she didn't have a PhD or EdD listed.
Anonymous
11/01/2022 10:52
Subject: Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
She didn’t lie to FCPS or VDOE based on your OP, so it’s not a licensing/credentials issue. Just write her an email and tell her to stop doing this if it’s so important to you. This isn’t something to report to anyone.
Anonymous
11/01/2022 10:31
Subject: Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is she a good teacher? Sounds like she’s not or you wouldn’t even have thought to look this up. Focus on any real issues you have with her performance.
There are no “extra” teachers around right now. So, deal with what you have or create a problem where you might end up with a stream of long term subs or worse. She isnt even lying about anything that is required for her job and if she is lying, she didn’t do it where it counted, on her certification paperwork.
NO -- she was horrible. You are totally right -- if she was great, I'd probably not think about it, well at least not as much!?
My kids aren't even in that school anymore -- thank goodness - b/c when we did say something to the Principal last December about things our child was coming home telling us about this teacher, the Principal said -- well, we have a saying here, we'll only believe half of what your child tells us is happening at home, and you should only believe half of what your child is telling you happens at school...
The assistant Principal saw an ongoing "lesson" she was doing with the kids soon after (it was NOT something we ever brought up -- just discovered it as she was doing extra due diligence on the teacher) and shut that down -- but then the assistant Principal left for another school and so the teacher remained unchecked the rest of the year really.
Are your kids accurate reporters 100% or the time? So if you pissed them off and they mumbled you never do anything for me, you love sister more, etc…all accurate, right. My teen will sometimes say at a restaurant when my husband orders a drink, “God, dad, you drink a lot!” I drink zero. My husband may have a beer 3 nights a week.
You’ve talked to a therapist about something from a school your kids no longer attend? Please move on. The only way this is really, really important is if a non MD is teaching residents, and even then many nurses and techs have a lot of info.
Let’s say you reported it. What do you think should happen? Can’t use the term anymore? Reprimand in the file? Fired? What would satisfy you?
Anonymous
11/01/2022 10:17
Subject: Re:Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
Doesn’t bother me at all.
Anonymous
11/01/2022 10:12
Subject: Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
FCPSAlumnowMom wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just mind your own business. You seriously need to go to therapy to see why this is bothering you so much. Move on with your life.
YES! But isn't "my business" the education my kids are receiving/have received??
In therapy - professional recommendation was that I share this with the school, the school board, or even let her know that her PhD is not showing as part of her license so that I can work on letting it go-
Of course this was coming from a professional who takes licensing and such pretty seriously in general. So, posted here to see what other parents might do.
Turns out -- majority seems to think it's totally ok for a teacher to call herself whatever she wants and the real problem is that I care!
Your kids would have received an identical education whether she was an MA, MEd, DeD, or PhD, boqualified to teach. And the school KNEW the licensing she reported to the state when they hired her. So, the school almost certainly how’s she has a masters, not a doctorate. For some reason, she wants the extra measure of respect from the kids. It’s ridiculous, but does mean she lacks the qualifications for her job. She didn’t lie to the accreditation board, or apparently FCPS when she was hired unless they were too lazy to check. She isn’t getting paid more.
At best, you are a parent with no kids in the school who wants a random called Ms. X, not Dr. x. And it’s weird you are so hung up on that. Personal grudge? too much time on your hands? This is NBD unless she lied to the licensing board or lied in the hiring process.
Plus, you are going to feel like a moron when you learn she is ABD or has a doctorate she didn’t report because it isn’t in her field— like a Doctorate of theology— or is worthless because it’s from an unaccredited U or is a doctorate for a foreign county.
— signed a JD who takes licensing seriously.
Anonymous
11/01/2022 09:54
Subject: Re:Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe she's been ABD somewhere for a long time and decided to just go for it and call herself Dr.
I have a Ph.D. (would not call myself Dr., but that's a different issue). In academia, it wouldn't be acceptable to call oneself Dr. without completing the degree, but I feel like it's not uncommon for ABDs outside of academia to use Dr. I would say in her defense that using a title is not the same as lying about your credentials on your employment paperwork.
I have a PhD and I have never heard of ABDs inside or outside of academia using the Dr. title. In what fields is that common?
Is this "Dr. X" claiming they have a PhD or an EdD? The latter is not that impressive. Some of the least bright people I know have EdD's. They are just people who wanted the fast track to an admin role in the education field. I respect a good longtime teacher with a Bachelors a whole lot more than a know-nothing admin with an EdD.
FCPSAlumnowMom
11/01/2022 09:52
Subject: Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
Anonymous wrote:Just mind your own business. You seriously need to go to therapy to see why this is bothering you so much. Move on with your life.
YES! But isn't "my business" the education my kids are receiving/have received??
In therapy - professional recommendation was that I share this with the school, the school board, or even let her know that her PhD is not showing as part of her license so that I can work on letting it go-
Of course this was coming from a professional who takes licensing and such pretty seriously in general. So, posted here to see what other parents might do.
Turns out -- majority seems to think it's totally ok for a teacher to call herself whatever she wants and the real problem is that I care!
Anonymous
11/01/2022 09:35
Subject: Dr. X may not really have a doctorate?
Just mind your own business. You seriously need to go to therapy to see why this is bothering you so much. Move on with your life.