Anonymous
10/13/2022 10:44
Subject: Re:Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Dear lord please stop with the ranking! It becomes a DCUM pissing contest.
+1 the weird obsession never ends.
And what are your "weird obsessions" ? Pissing on others' discussions ?
Anonymous
10/13/2022 10:22
Subject: Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Perspective of someone who attended international schools in the Middle East and Southeast Asia.
Tier 1: HYPSM, Oxford, Cambridge
Tier 2: Columbia, Chicago, Duke, Wharton
Tier 3: Northwestern, Cornell, UPenn, Caltech (suffers from complete lack of name recognition but otherwise would be Tier 2)
Tier 4: Brown, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins
Tier 5 and below: Imperial, UCL, LSE, NYU, etc.
Very interesting. As a DC expat in South America for many years, over here it's:
Tier 1: HPSM, Wharton
Tier 2: Yale, Duke, Oxford, Cambridge, Columbia, Caltech, UPenn (I think a lot of this is due to Wharton though)
Tier 3: UChicago, Northwestern, Cornell, Berkeley
Tier 4: Brown, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins, UCLA, Imperial
Tier 5 and below: UCL, LSE, NYU, UMichigan, etc.
The Wharton brand is really exceptional, props to UPenn.
Anonymous
10/13/2022 09:36
Subject: Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Anonymous wrote:Perspective of someone who attended international schools in the Middle East and Southeast Asia.
Tier 1: HYPSM, Oxford, Cambridge
Tier 2: Columbia, Chicago, Duke, Wharton
Tier 3: Northwestern, Cornell, UPenn, Caltech (suffers from complete lack of name recognition but otherwise would be Tier 2)
Tier 4: Brown, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins
Tier 5 and below: Imperial, UCL, LSE, NYU, etc.
Very interesting. As a DC expat in South America for many years, over here it's:
Tier 1: HPSM, Wharton
Tier 2: Yale, Duke, Oxford, Cambridge, Columbia, Caltech, UPenn (I think a lot of this is due to Wharton though)
Tier 3: UChicago, Northwestern, Cornell, Berkeley
Tier 4: Brown, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins, UCLA, Imperial
Tier 5 and below: UCL, LSE, NYU, UMichigan, etc.
Anonymous
10/13/2022 09:33
Subject: Re:Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Looks like old info
and this is more for grad school from foreigners perspective
Irrelevant
and this is more for grad school from foreigners perspective
Irrelevant
Anonymous
10/13/2022 09:28
Subject: Re:Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Anonymous wrote:Dear lord please stop with the ranking! It becomes a DCUM pissing contest.
+1 the weird obsession never ends.
Anonymous
10/13/2022 09:14
Subject: Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Anonymous wrote:So much for St. Andrews' dad who keeps posting The Guardian claiming St. Andrews is no. 1 in the world. Here it is classified somewhere between 201 to 250
You do know how rankings work, right? The THE rankings are global research university rankings. St Andrews is smaller, and primarily an undergraduate school, with similar size and ratios of undergrad-postgrad ratios similar to Dartmouth and Brown... and, thus, its quality is not going to be reflected under this methodology.
The Guardian rankings, the Times, and other UK national rankings are in essence looking at the best place to go not just for research but also for the experience (quality of life, quality of teaching, satisfaction, employment prospects)... hence the number one ranking for St Andrews at different points.
Where are Dartmouth and Brown on the THE world university rankings? Not super high. Are you really going to send your kid to ETH Zurich, U of Illinois, U of Manchester, or Tsinghua because they're ranked higher in the THE world uni rankings than places like Brown, Dartmouth, literally any top liberal arts college, or—god forbid—St Andrews? Really?
The quantity/quality of a university's research output are important... but certainly not determinative of the quality of student experience. Amherst and Williams are not going to appear on such a ranking, but no one is denying the quality they offer as schools.
Maybe you should visit, or learn a bit about a school before offering your snark. St Andrews has the most satisfied and happy students in the UK... based on surveys every UK university graduate takes.
It's about finding the right fit for your child in a school, and St Andrews has offered amazing opportunities for DC and many other families in the DMV.
Anonymous
10/12/2022 23:43
Subject: Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Perspective of someone who attended international schools in the Middle East and Southeast Asia.
Tier 1: HYPSM, Oxford, Cambridge
Tier 2: Columbia, Chicago, Duke, Wharton
Tier 3: Northwestern, Cornell, UPenn, Caltech (suffers from complete lack of name recognition but otherwise would be Tier 2)
Tier 4: Brown, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins
Tier 5 and below: Imperial, UCL, LSE, NYU, etc.
Tier 1: HYPSM, Oxford, Cambridge
Tier 2: Columbia, Chicago, Duke, Wharton
Tier 3: Northwestern, Cornell, UPenn, Caltech (suffers from complete lack of name recognition but otherwise would be Tier 2)
Tier 4: Brown, Dartmouth, Johns Hopkins
Tier 5 and below: Imperial, UCL, LSE, NYU, etc.
Anonymous
10/12/2022 23:36
Subject: Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oxford is number one. Again.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking
Times Higher Education is known to be biased towards UK schools since it's a UK-based publication. No one believes Oxford is greater than Harvard anymore, it just isn't. Also, what is likely more relevant for us is their US Undergraduate Rankings which they also have.
Strongly disagree. I went to Harvard. DD is at Oxford
I am sorry your daughter could not get into Harvard.
If you're that immature, you should not be contributing. The rest of us know that both are top notch universities.
One is a lot harder to get into than another. But I guess we all know that.
True. Harvard is much much harder than Oxford to get into as an undergrad. Multiple times harder, really. But agree that both are first notch research universities with prestige.
Anonymous
10/12/2022 21:38
Subject: Re:Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
+1 They have a US College Ranking: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/rankings/united-states/2022
The linked US College Ranking is a year old, from September 2021. It’s from the last year of THE’s five year (?) cooperative project with WSJ to rank US colleges. People have been referencing this particular ranking for 13 months.
Anonymous
10/12/2022 20:45
Subject: Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oxford is number one. Again.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking
Times Higher Education is known to be biased towards UK schools since it's a UK-based publication. No one believes Oxford is greater than Harvard anymore, it just isn't. Also, what is likely more relevant for us is their US Undergraduate Rankings which they also have.
Strongly disagree. I went to Harvard. DD is at Oxford
Lol and I’ve got to strongly disagree with you. I went to both Oxford and Harvard.
Anonymous
10/12/2022 20:45
Subject: Re:Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
I would rank them differently!
Anonymous
10/12/2022 20:39
Subject: Re:Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Yes, "SG" refers to Singapore, given the reference to Hwa Chong/Raffles. I lived in Singapore for 16 years and married a Singaporean, so I recognize the reference.
I will say that Singaporean perceptions are distorted by the Singapore government issued scholarships, which provide full rides to overseas schools in return for 5 years of government service. The Singapore government has clear preferences for certain schools for certain majors. Singaporeans who don't qualify for those scholarships but still go overseas tend to be the "Crazy Rich Asians" who study business or economics (hence Wharton being put into this first tier).
That said, although Singaporeans are brand conscious, they are not exactly the most informed consumers. For example, the former president of the American Chamber of Commerce in Singapore (and head of Boeing SE Asia) graduated with a BA and MA from the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (e.g. VT). I was repeatedly asked how he had managed to achieve such a high position in corporate America with only a vocational-technical school qualification (which is what "polytechnics" are in Singapore)!
I will say that Singaporean perceptions are distorted by the Singapore government issued scholarships, which provide full rides to overseas schools in return for 5 years of government service. The Singapore government has clear preferences for certain schools for certain majors. Singaporeans who don't qualify for those scholarships but still go overseas tend to be the "Crazy Rich Asians" who study business or economics (hence Wharton being put into this first tier).
That said, although Singaporeans are brand conscious, they are not exactly the most informed consumers. For example, the former president of the American Chamber of Commerce in Singapore (and head of Boeing SE Asia) graduated with a BA and MA from the Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (e.g. VT). I was repeatedly asked how he had managed to achieve such a high position in corporate America with only a vocational-technical school qualification (which is what "polytechnics" are in Singapore)!
Anonymous
10/12/2022 19:13
Subject: Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oxford is number one. Again.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking
Times Higher Education is known to be biased towards UK schools since it's a UK-based publication. No one believes Oxford is greater than Harvard anymore, it just isn't. Also, what is likely more relevant for us is their US Undergraduate Rankings which they also have.
Strongly disagree. I went to Harvard. DD is at Oxford
I am sorry your daughter could not get into Harvard.
If you're that immature, you should not be contributing. The rest of us know that both are top notch universities.
Both are top notch indeed, but from another international forum:
"Hi OP i'm from SG as well, from one of Hwa Chong/Raffles and heading to HYPSM. I find your list interesting but it doesn't seem to reflect the sentiments from my school and my group of friends
Tier 1: HYPSM, wharton, caltech, Trinity College Cambridge Mathematics
Tier 2: Oxbridge, Duke, Upenn, Columbia, Cornell (maybe), CMU CS
Tier 3: Cornell, Uchicago, Berkeley
Tier 4: Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, CMU
Tier 5 and below: Imperial, UCL, LSE, NYU etc
This is generally what my school believes, I base this on my school's matriculation data and the number of applicants to each school from the past 5 years and how many actually get in.
HYPSM, wharton and caltech are clearly on top. Oxbridge is a clear tier 2, I do not know a single person (out of 20+) who matriculated into Oxbridge after getting into ANY US t20. Based on my friends in the other institution, this seems to be the case as well. The only possible argument for oxbridge being tier 1 is if you are doing math at trinity college, for obvious reasons.
Uchicago, Northwestern, and Dartmouth aren't very popular at all, almost no one applies to them from here.
Any non oxbridge UK uni is a tier below any US t20, since the selectivity is miles different.
One thing to note is to look at the selectivity of each institution before placing them into tiers. Non oxbridge UK unis just require good grades and that's it. Oxbridge requires good grades + competency in your chosen subject. A US t20, and especially t10, require the same grades, competency, and insane extracurriculars. That's how we see it here"
Sounds like SG means Singapore here? That’s pretty relevant since it’s one of the most academically inclined and gifted countries. Plus Oxford and Cambridge (Oxbridge) get a very large number of it students from other countries compared to US schools.
Anonymous
10/12/2022 18:45
Subject: Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oxford is number one. Again.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking
Times Higher Education is known to be biased towards UK schools since it's a UK-based publication. No one believes Oxford is greater than Harvard anymore, it just isn't. Also, what is likely more relevant for us is their US Undergraduate Rankings which they also have.
Strongly disagree. I went to Harvard. DD is at Oxford
I am sorry your daughter could not get into Harvard.
If you're that immature, you should not be contributing. The rest of us know that both are top notch universities.
Both are top notch indeed, but from another international forum:
"Hi OP i'm from SG as well, from one of Hwa Chong/Raffles and heading to HYPSM. I find your list interesting but it doesn't seem to reflect the sentiments from my school and my group of friends
Tier 1: HYPSM, wharton, caltech, Trinity College Cambridge Mathematics
Tier 2: Oxbridge, Duke, Upenn, Columbia, Cornell (maybe), CMU CS
Tier 3: Cornell, Uchicago, Berkeley
Tier 4: Northwestern, Brown, Dartmouth, CMU
Tier 5 and below: Imperial, UCL, LSE, NYU etc
This is generally what my school believes, I base this on my school's matriculation data and the number of applicants to each school from the past 5 years and how many actually get in.
HYPSM, wharton and caltech are clearly on top. Oxbridge is a clear tier 2, I do not know a single person (out of 20+) who matriculated into Oxbridge after getting into ANY US t20. Based on my friends in the other institution, this seems to be the case as well. The only possible argument for oxbridge being tier 1 is if you are doing math at trinity college, for obvious reasons.
Uchicago, Northwestern, and Dartmouth aren't very popular at all, almost no one applies to them from here.
Any non oxbridge UK uni is a tier below any US t20, since the selectivity is miles different.
One thing to note is to look at the selectivity of each institution before placing them into tiers. Non oxbridge UK unis just require good grades and that's it. Oxbridge requires good grades + competency in your chosen subject. A US t20, and especially t10, require the same grades, competency, and insane extracurriculars. That's how we see it here"
Anonymous
10/12/2022 18:45
Subject: Another college ranking list! This time a global list from the UK's Times Higher Education
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Oxford is number one. Again.
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/2023/world-ranking
Times Higher Education is known to be biased towards UK schools since it's a UK-based publication. No one believes Oxford is greater than Harvard anymore, it just isn't. Also, what is likely more relevant for us is their US Undergraduate Rankings which they also have.
+1 They have a US College Ranking: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/rankings/united-states/2022
1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. MIT
4. Yale
5. Duke
6. Brown
7. Caltech
8. Princeton
9. Johns Hopkins
9. Northwestern
11. Cornell
12. U of Penn
13. Dartmouth
14. U of Chicago
15. Vanderbilt
16. Columbia
17. WashU in St. Louis
18. Rice
19. USC
20. Emory
21. Carnegie Mellon
22. Amherst
23. Williams
24. U of Michigan
25. Pomona
Why would UC-Berkeley be #8 on the world list but not be included in top 25 on the US list?
The world list is about the university as a whole and the research the university outputs, which primarily focuses on the graduate/PhD programs of each school. The undergraduate list does not factor in the graduate/PhD programs, so it favors the schools that have more undergraduate focus.