Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 20:43     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
2nd graders are horrible this year. I think because they spent K at home, but also because parents don't actually keep their kids accountable for behavior anymore. Your kid walked away from a line she was supposed to be in. You're not upset at her? At all? She knows better.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 20:31     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:I agree with some PPs that you need to educate yourself about your child’s rights. Not familiar with sped, but it seems getting a formal IEP entitles you to services through the school, and is definitely something you should consider given your child’s diagnoses.

However you seem very concerned about what goes into your child’s permanent record, which is probably why you’re hesitant to get an IEP and hesitant to submit bullying forms. That seems a little upside down to me. You need the bullying to stop yesterday, and for her special needs to be accommodated right now.


+1. As a woman with adhd who's father wouldn't allow any diagnosis, help or counseling because of concerns how it would look on my record i can assure you that it would have looked remarkably better than the struggles, suicide attempts, failed careers and relationships, financial problems, etc.
Do what is right for your kid right now.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 17:04     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
I agree with some PPs that you need to educate yourself about your child’s rights. Not familiar with sped, but it seems getting a formal IEP entitles you to services through the school, and is definitely something you should consider given your child’s diagnoses.

However you seem very concerned about what goes into your child’s permanent record, which is probably why you’re hesitant to get an IEP and hesitant to submit bullying forms. That seems a little upside down to me. You need the bullying to stop yesterday, and for her special needs to be accommodated right now.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 13:03     Subject: Re:Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:As an elementary specials teacher, I will say that 2nd graders shouldn’t be getting “lost.” Maybe kindergarteners, but 2nd graders should know where everything is in the school and how to go where their class is going. What the teacher seems to be saying is that your child intentionally snuck away. In more extreme cases that’s called eloping and it’s a big deal because teachers’ eyes can’t be on everyone every minute. A teacher should not have to be concerned that a 2nd grader who asks to go to the bathroom will actually wander the halls or God forbid try to leave the school.



Piecing together what the teacher and my child said, it seems that while the class was waiting to take turns using the water fountain my child and at least one other student walked into the book fair. The teacher brought the class from the water fountain back to the homeroom and didn’t realize my child hadn’t returned. 10 minutes later she sent 2 students search for my child. The gym, water fountain, book fair room, and homeroom are all very close. If the students are lined up against the wall waiting for water it would be very easy for one competent adult to make sure they don’t leave the wall or at least recount the students before walking the 20 steps back to the classroom.


You are focused on the wrong thing. The spitting is horrible and you need to raise holy hell about that.
Your child going off to the book fair for a few minutes isn't great but this kind of thing happens often and you shouldn't scream about it. By 2nd grade kids at our school were allowed to go places in the school by themselves. Obviously the teacher should have known where they went but by this age the students shouldn't be sneaking off by themselves either.

As the teacher pointed out, if your child does this on purpose it is eloping and it is serious enough to get your DD sent to a special program with a lower teacher to student ratio so there can be more supervision.

Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 08:51     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
I would seek a second opinion about what's going on with your kid. Alot of times girls with autism mask their way through. Being spat on is a pretty big deal at this age.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 08:47     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also you might want to post in the Special Needs forum, where people are knowledgeable about wrangling schools and asking for accommodations.


It’s not an accommodation to watch the class while they walk from the gym to the water fountain and then to the class. It’s not an accommodation to send an adult to search for a missing chicks instead of sending 2 other students. There are safety protocols already in place for all students that this teacher clearly didn’t follow.


You're wrong. Her child needs special accommodations and the school is going to smile and nod their heads to her face but they aren't going to actually help her daughter without an iep. It is very naive that OP believes she doesn't need one and can just make nice with the administration and teachers every year
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 08:44     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does your child have special needs?

I have a kid with severe inattentive ADHD who was harassed by other boys at school. I notified the teacher, and she addressed it. No teacher ever sent me messages about my kid getting lost or not following directions, though, maybe because they all knew he had an IEP…



We have the initial Child Find meeting later this week. The teacher is not responsive to anything that happens during recess or specials. When I spoke to the principal on the phone last week he www in full support of the teacher handling things her preferred way.


PP you replied to. That doesn't sound right, OP. Even if the teacher is not supervising at recess or during specials, she's still the point person to address bullying. Have you filed one of those bullying forms? Have you done a private neuropsychological evaluation? The report, if it finds significant impairment, can bolster your request for an IEP.


Yes, we have done all kinds of testing. We are new to MCPS and I provided copies of all tests and evaluations directly yo the principal when I register d my child in August. It wasn’t until a month later after I bagged them on email that they scheduled the Child Find meeting. She has ADHD, dyslexia and dysgraphia. At the open house before school started I let the homeroom teacher know if her diagnosis and provided a copy of the summary of the psychoed report.

The principal said the homeroom teacher is supposed to get filled in by the specials teacher when they hand off the kids but the homeroom teacher said she “doesn’t know anything that goes on in specials”. I don’t see how 2 teachers could have any kind of meaningful conversation with the incoming and outgoing students present.


This is not how it works. You need to get a 504 or iep for your child. Please educate yourself on how to help your child properly.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 08:42     Subject: Re:Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:As an elementary specials teacher, I will say that 2nd graders shouldn’t be getting “lost.” Maybe kindergarteners, but 2nd graders should know where everything is in the school and how to go where their class is going. What the teacher seems to be saying is that your child intentionally snuck away. In more extreme cases that’s called eloping and it’s a big deal because teachers’ eyes can’t be on everyone every minute. A teacher should not have to be concerned that a 2nd grader who asks to go to the bathroom will actually wander the halls or God forbid try to leave the school.


+1. You need to ask for a meeting and clarification about what happened.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 08:42     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:> while the class stopped at the water fountain

What is this? M kids have been forced to carry water bottles everywhere for years.


Many of these grievance posts seem like works of fiction.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 08:39     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have kids with autism adhd and anxiety. None of them have been spat at. If it happens again file a bullying report immediately. Keep very careful records of your child's work and the notes home and each incident re getting lost, etc. You may be lobbying for an iep. In fact, I would suggest you try to get one that specifically puts the onus of keeping your child safe - first place in the bathroom line. Etc.

As an aside. Child find missed my child's autism. I would get on a list for an evaluation at children's national. It may take 18 months to 2 years but will save you $5,000. You will pay a few hundred extra for educational testing but the rest is covered by insurance.

Best case scenario. Nothing is found, but at least you didn't wait until it is too late. Do not let the school test your child. It is in their best interest to find nothing wrong and then you have 2 conflicting reports at any future iep meeting.

Lastly, if the bullying report goes no where, please instruct your child to defend themselves. Children who get reputations as "the easy target" in elementary carry that through high school. You first ask the adult for help, then file the report and step 3 is lay the kid out.




We paid Out of pocket for a psycho Ed last year and I specifically asked about ASD and OCD since I have cousins on both sides with these diagnosis. She was not identified for either.

I am Leary of the bullying form because the form gets filed in Synergy with the victim and stays with the victim’s Synergy file forever. No documents follow the bully. Also, she doesn’t know the names of the boys that have been spitting on her because they aren’t in her class. She just knows there are in her grade because they have recess at the same time.


And this does not matter in the least, OP. During the course of her school career, even the people who should be reading your daughter's file won't have the time, and you'll need to remind them. The IEP will be on file too. The two are often present together, you can guess why! My son had an IEP for 11 years of his MCPS career, and he's applying to selective colleges this fall. His school file will not follow him to university, only his high school grades. He does not need to disclose any of his needs during the admissions process, but can choose to do so at the Disability Office of the university he attends.



Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 08:35     Subject: Re:Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:As an elementary specials teacher, I will say that 2nd graders shouldn’t be getting “lost.” Maybe kindergarteners, but 2nd graders should know where everything is in the school and how to go where their class is going. What the teacher seems to be saying is that your child intentionally snuck away. In more extreme cases that’s called eloping and it’s a big deal because teachers’ eyes can’t be on everyone every minute. A teacher should not have to be concerned that a 2nd grader who asks to go to the bathroom will actually wander the halls or God forbid try to leave the school.



Piecing together what the teacher and my child said, it seems that while the class was waiting to take turns using the water fountain my child and at least one other student walked into the book fair. The teacher brought the class from the water fountain back to the homeroom and didn’t realize my child hadn’t returned. 10 minutes later she sent 2 students search for my child. The gym, water fountain, book fair room, and homeroom are all very close. If the students are lined up against the wall waiting for water it would be very easy for one competent adult to make sure they don’t leave the wall or at least recount the students before walking the 20 steps back to the classroom.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 08:34     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does your child have special needs?

I have a kid with severe inattentive ADHD who was harassed by other boys at school. I notified the teacher, and she addressed it. No teacher ever sent me messages about my kid getting lost or not following directions, though, maybe because they all knew he had an IEP…



We have the initial Child Find meeting later this week. The teacher is not responsive to anything that happens during recess or specials. When I spoke to the principal on the phone last week he www in full support of the teacher handling things her preferred way.


PP you replied to. That doesn't sound right, OP. Even if the teacher is not supervising at recess or during specials, she's still the point person to address bullying. Have you filed one of those bullying forms? Have you done a private neuropsychological evaluation? The report, if it finds significant impairment, can bolster your request for an IEP.


Yes, we have done all kinds of testing. We are new to MCPS and I provided copies of all tests and evaluations directly yo the principal when I register d my child in August. It wasn’t until a month later after I bagged them on email that they scheduled the Child Find meeting. She has ADHD, dyslexia and dysgraphia. At the open house before school started I let the homeroom teacher know if her diagnosis and provided a copy of the summary of the psychoed report.

The principal said the homeroom teacher is supposed to get filled in by the specials teacher when they hand off the kids but the homeroom teacher said she “doesn’t know anything that goes on in specials”. I don’t see how 2 teachers could have any kind of meaningful conversation with the incoming and outgoing students present.


It sounds like your child has a teacher that does not understand her needs. Please remind the teacher that this is what her disabilities lead to, and that the school has still not scheduled an IEP meeting. Say that you look forward to the teacher weighing in at that meeting with all the documented evidence of your child's needs (and BTW, secure all the Class Dojo emails). Also file the bullying form, because spitting is not acceptable.

Hang in there, OP.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 08:32     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:I have kids with autism adhd and anxiety. None of them have been spat at. If it happens again file a bullying report immediately. Keep very careful records of your child's work and the notes home and each incident re getting lost, etc. You may be lobbying for an iep. In fact, I would suggest you try to get one that specifically puts the onus of keeping your child safe - first place in the bathroom line. Etc.

As an aside. Child find missed my child's autism. I would get on a list for an evaluation at children's national. It may take 18 months to 2 years but will save you $5,000. You will pay a few hundred extra for educational testing but the rest is covered by insurance.

Best case scenario. Nothing is found, but at least you didn't wait until it is too late. Do not let the school test your child. It is in their best interest to find nothing wrong and then you have 2 conflicting reports at any future iep meeting.

Lastly, if the bullying report goes no where, please instruct your child to defend themselves. Children who get reputations as "the easy target" in elementary carry that through high school. You first ask the adult for help, then file the report and step 3 is lay the kid out.




We paid Out of pocket for a psycho Ed last year and I specifically asked about ASD and OCD since I have cousins on both sides with these diagnosis. She was not identified for either.

I am Leary of the bullying form because the form gets filed in Synergy with the victim and stays with the victim’s Synergy file forever. No documents follow the bully. Also, she doesn’t know the names of the boys that have been spitting on her because they aren’t in her class. She just knows there are in her grade because they have recess at the same time.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2022 08:30     Subject: Does this happen to other kids?
Anonymous wrote:Also you might want to post in the Special Needs forum, where people are knowledgeable about wrangling schools and asking for accommodations.


It’s not an accommodation to watch the class while they walk from the gym to the water fountain and then to the class. It’s not an accommodation to send an adult to search for a missing chicks instead of sending 2 other students. There are safety protocols already in place for all students that this teacher clearly didn’t follow.