Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Russian propagandists on this thread have to fall back on the theme that anti-Russian Ukraine leadership is corrupt. This was the theme they used successfully from 2014 to 2019 when Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko was in office.

You also need better material. Offshore holdings for Ukrainians has a different context than in the U.S. - since wars have a way of making bank availability spotty.

Russians are far more corrupt, but Amnesty International just found more free press articles on Ukraine (they're not like the Russians who assassinate journalists).

I think Russian soldiers will be forever known as Рашка-парашка, as those who rape and murder children.

The Times is Russian propaganda?

You lack the aptitude for nuance. Ukraine is a victim in this conflict. This is not a reason to describe it as something it isn't.

Ukraine's corruption standing is not dependent on the rape record of the Russian army. The two run on parallel tracks.

Parallel tracks? I think it's the same track, just different distances to the depths of Hell.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine doesn’t want to be a corrupt Russian puppet.

It doesn't need to be a Russian puppet to be corrupt. See Transparency International 2021.

They needed to get rid of the Russian oligarchs but also the corrupt Ukrainians who were fronting for the Russian oligarchs. That’s what the IMF, EU, and US were trying to do, set up anti-corruption systems and practices that were independent. That’s why Trump, Giuliani, Perry, et al had to smear Yovanovitch. They were working for the Russian oligarchs and the corrupt Ukrainians.

LOL like there's no such thing as homegrown corruption?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine doesn’t want to be a corrupt Russian puppet.

It doesn't need to be a Russian puppet to be corrupt. See Transparency International 2021.

They needed to get rid of the Russian oligarchs but also the corrupt Ukrainians who were fronting for the Russian oligarchs. That’s what the IMF, EU, and US were trying to do, set up anti-corruption systems and practices that were independent. That’s why Trump, Giuliani, Perry, et al had to smear Yovanovitch. They were working for the Russian oligarchs and the corrupt Ukrainians.

Anonymous wrote:The Russian propagandists on this thread have to fall back on the theme that anti-Russian Ukraine leadership is corrupt. This was the theme they used successfully from 2014 to 2019 when Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko was in office.

You also need better material. Offshore holdings for Ukrainians has a different context than in the U.S. - since wars have a way of making bank availability spotty.

Russians are far more corrupt, but Amnesty International just found more free press articles on Ukraine (they're not like the Russians who assassinate journalists).

I think Russian soldiers will be forever known as Рашка-парашка, as those who rape and murder children.

Tell the Wilson center, why don't you?

Anonymous wrote:The Russian propagandists on this thread have to fall back on the theme that anti-Russian Ukraine leadership is corrupt. This was the theme they used successfully from 2014 to 2019 when Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko was in office.

You also need better material. Offshore holdings for Ukrainians has a different context than in the U.S. - since wars have a way of making bank availability spotty.

Russians are far more corrupt, but Amnesty International just found more free press articles on Ukraine (they're not like the Russians who assassinate journalists).

I think Russian soldiers will be forever known as Рашка-парашка, as those who rape and murder children.

The Times is Russian propaganda?

You lack the aptitude for nuance. Ukraine is a victim in this conflict. This is not a reason to describe it as something it isn't.

Ukraine's corruption standing is not dependent on the rape record of the Russian army. The two run on parallel tracks.

The Russian propagandists on this thread have to fall back on the theme that anti-Russian Ukraine leadership is corrupt. This was the theme they used successfully from 2014 to 2019 when Petro Oleksiyovych Poroshenko was in office.

You also need better material. Offshore holdings for Ukrainians has a different context than in the U.S. - since wars have a way of making bank availability spotty.

Russians are far more corrupt, but Amnesty International just found more free press articles on Ukraine (they're not like the Russians who assassinate journalists).

I think Russian soldiers will be forever known as Рашка-парашка, as those who rape and murder children.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine overthrew the corrupt puppet regime of Yanukovych and his oligarchs as part of the Revolution of Dignity (Maidan Revolution) in February 2014. Putin responded with the annexation of Crimea and backing Russian-affiliated and supplied militias in Donbas. Poroshenko continued the process moving Ukraine toward the EU.

People get kinda posed with imperialist neighbors occupy your country and terrorize it’s inhabitants.

But it's not like Ukraine is not corrupt. They just wanted a different group of people at the feeding trough.

It's like a feuding family. You can beat up on the family member, but you won't accept outside people beating up on the family member. Only family members can beat up on each other.

It's one think for Ukrainian politicians to be corrupt, it is another to have a foreign corrupt government take over.

Ukraine is a victim in this conflict but that's not a reason to claim things about it that aren't true.

Anonymous wrote:Belarus is a dictatorship. Ukraine is a democratic country where you are allowed to criticize the president without going to jail for wrong social media likes.

Um okay:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/volodymyr-zelensky-journalists-accuse-ukrainian-president-purge-critics-6wwx8jwnd

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/opinion/ukraine-russia-zelensky-putin.html

Corruption just doesn’t seem to worry Mr. Zelensky much — at least when those implicated are close to him. In March 2020, when his chief of staff’s brother was caught offering government posts for money, Mr. Zelensky did nothing. More recently, a top lawmaker was caught on camera drunkenly offering a bribe to a police officer at the site of a car crash he might have caused. The public was outraged, but Mr. Zelensky mumbled a disapproving comment and moved on. Even the president’s beautiful newly built roads are mired in controversy. The procurement process is thought to be rigged and the prices too high.

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/just-all-others-end-zelensky-alternative

First, Zelensky and his team started promoting the idea that he was “like any other businessperson in Ukraine.” This statement was repeated by everyone on the presidential team in response to the revelations of Zelensky’s offshore holdings, suddenly exposed in the Pandora Papers.

The disclosures contained in the Pandora Papers shook many societies around the globe this fall. The leaked documents were analyzed by a consortium of journalists, who found “financial secrets of 35 current and former world leaders, more than 330 politicians and public officials in 91 countries and territories, and a global lineup of fugitives, con artists and murderers.” To the surprise of the general public, Volodymyr Zelensky’s name appeared on the list of offshore company holders. The documents are testament that Zelensky and his partners (now the heads of security agencies and part of the executive branch of government) owned offshore companies in the British Virgin Islands, Cyprus, and Belize. These companies were used to “defend his business in Ukraine,” the president explained. Prior to the 2019 election campaign, Zelensky had turned over control of his shares to his current chief aide and head of the country’s Security Service, but Zelensky’s family continues “receiving money from the offshore [business operations].”

In truth, the fact of Zelensky’s offshore holdings was known and debated during the presidential campaign in 2019. Now, however, the media campaign in defense of the president is promoting the idea that offshore holdings are indeed a mirky business, yet everyone does it. And these words were heard by Ukrainian voters as “Volodymyr Zelensky is just like any other businessman, he is not an alternative.”

https://kyivindependent.com/national/how-zelensky-administration-moves-to-dismantle-press-freedom-in-ukraine
Instead of improving its dialogue with the press, Zelensky’s government decided to take a more direct route: amplify supporters and pressure critics into silence.

“We thought that the president’s media background would predispose them to solve questions of information and freedom of speech like media types who understand these subjects well,” said Sergiy Tomilenko, head of the National Union of Journalists of Ukraine. “But unfortunately we see otherwise.”

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine overthrew the corrupt puppet regime of Yanukovych and his oligarchs as part of the Revolution of Dignity (Maidan Revolution) in February 2014. Putin responded with the annexation of Crimea and backing Russian-affiliated and supplied militias in Donbas. Poroshenko continued the process moving Ukraine toward the EU.

People get kinda posed with imperialist neighbors occupy your country and terrorize it’s inhabitants.

But it's not like Ukraine is not corrupt. They just wanted a different group of people at the feeding trough.

It's like a feuding family. You can beat up on the family member, but you won't accept outside people beating up on the family member. Only family members can beat up on each other.

It's one think for Ukrainian politicians to be corrupt, it is another to have a foreign corrupt government take over.

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine overthrew the corrupt puppet regime of Yanukovych and his oligarchs as part of the Revolution of Dignity (Maidan Revolution) in February 2014. Putin responded with the annexation of Crimea and backing Russian-affiliated and supplied militias in Donbas. Poroshenko continued the process moving Ukraine toward the EU.

People get kinda posed with imperialist neighbors occupy your country and terrorize it’s inhabitants.

But it's not like Ukraine is not corrupt. They just wanted a different group of people at the feeding trough.

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine doesn’t want to be a corrupt Russian puppet.

It doesn't need to be a Russian puppet to be corrupt. See Transparency International 2021.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why doesnt russia have friendly relations with ukraine the same way russia has with belarus? belarus arent worried about an invasion and i dont get why ukraine which also shares a border with russis has such a hostile relationship. why isnt the relationship the same?

You're quoting Russian propaganda, so wherever you're getting your information from, you really need to stop listening to them.

Actually, Russians are planning to re-invade Belarus - they're just being invited in by the puppet, Russian-installed leadership.

"Russian troops will return to Belarus in large numbers, months after most departed following Moscow’s failed campaign to capture northern areas of neighboring Ukraine. "
"Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, who allowed Russia to use his country as a launchpad for its invasion of Ukraine in February, didn’t specify exact numbers or explain why the Russian forces would be returning. But he said the influx would be significant."
"“This won’t be just a thousand troops,” Lukashenko said during a meeting with his security apparatus in Minsk on Monday, according to state news agency Belta."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-10/russian-troops-to-return-to-belarus-as-crimea-blast-angers-putin

You're also spreading false information that Belarus is friendly towards Russia. Lukashenko is friendly towards Russia. Belarus is probably close to rebellion itself. My guess is that the people are low on food supplies. By this time next year there probably will be a revolt / uprising to overthrow Lukashenko, if not sooner - which explains why Lukashenko is welcoming as many Russian troops as he can get.

"Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has called for schoolchildren to be mobilised to harvest apples and potatoes."
"Lukashenko said it was "savagery" that children could not be used to help with the country's agricultural industry."
"What kind of example are we going to set for our schoolchildren, our children?" he told a government meeting on Monday.
"They say it's exploitation, but what kind of exploitation is it if a person goes to work for five or six hours?"
"It will be happiness for the parents and good physical training for the children."
https://www.euronews.com/2022/10/04/belarus-mobilise-children-to-harvest-potatoes-and-apples-says-lukashenko

Specifically Lukashenko asked that children as young as middle schoolers harvest crops so that "prices don't rise" in the winter.

Not too many crops to harvest until next week year. And Ukraine doesn’t have much to fear from porky trained and poorly equipped Russians suffering from low morale. Those footwraps and old Soviet era helmets aren’t going to get them through the winter.

Anonymous wrote:why doesnt russia have friendly relations with ukraine the same way russia has with belarus? belarus arent worried about an invasion and i dont get why ukraine which also shares a border with russis has such a hostile relationship. why isnt the relationship the same?

You're quoting Russian propaganda, so wherever you're getting your information from, you really need to stop listening to them.

Actually, Russians are planning to re-invade Belarus - they're just being invited in by the puppet, Russian-installed leadership.

"Russian troops will return to Belarus in large numbers, months after most departed following Moscow’s failed campaign to capture northern areas of neighboring Ukraine. "
"Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, who allowed Russia to use his country as a launchpad for its invasion of Ukraine in February, didn’t specify exact numbers or explain why the Russian forces would be returning. But he said the influx would be significant."
"“This won’t be just a thousand troops,” Lukashenko said during a meeting with his security apparatus in Minsk on Monday, according to state news agency Belta."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-10/russian-troops-to-return-to-belarus-as-crimea-blast-angers-putin

You're also spreading false information that Belarus is friendly towards Russia. Lukashenko is friendly towards Russia. Belarus is probably close to rebellion itself. My guess is that the people are low on food supplies. By this time next year there probably will be a revolt / uprising to overthrow Lukashenko, if not sooner - which explains why Lukashenko is welcoming as many Russian troops as he can get.

"Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has called for schoolchildren to be mobilised to harvest apples and potatoes."
"Lukashenko said it was "savagery" that children could not be used to help with the country's agricultural industry."
"What kind of example are we going to set for our schoolchildren, our children?" he told a government meeting on Monday.
"They say it's exploitation, but what kind of exploitation is it if a person goes to work for five or six hours?"
"It will be happiness for the parents and good physical training for the children."
https://www.euronews.com/2022/10/04/belarus-mobilise-children-to-harvest-potatoes-and-apples-says-lukashenko

Specifically Lukashenko asked that children as young as middle schoolers harvest crops so that "prices don't rise" in the winter.

It's not just Belarus.

"The Central Asian nation of Kyrgyzstan on Sunday unilaterally cancelled joint military drills between the six nations making up the Russia-led Collective Security Treaty Organization, less than a day before they were due to start on its territory."

"Last month, Armenia skipped a two-week drill held by the collective in Kazakhstan"

"Armenian authorities had accused the Azerbaijani government in Baku of using heavy artillery and combat drones to strike Armenian army positions."

"Last spring, the bloc looked on impassively as two members, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, were engaged in a bloody border dispute."

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/10/09/russian-ally-cancels-russian-led-military-drill-on-its-land-00061081

Anonymous wrote:Belarus cant get enough of the taste of sweet Russian boot.

Just make sure not to stand between a group of Russian conscripts and the border crossing to Poland.