Anonymous wrote:this seems pretty insane. im guessing we're in for some horrific accidents. this would also seem to raise all kinds of legal liability issues.

Actually it is fully in line with making our streets safer, particularly for pedestrians, Bravo Council!

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time you saw a cyclist stop at a stop sign? When was the last time you saw a cyclist cited for ignoring traffic laws?

Yes, definitely bicycles are the only vehicle that don't always stop at every single stop sign and don't get cited.

I probably stop at a higher percentage of stop signs on my bike than the drivers who approach the four-way stop outside my house do. I'd guess the share of cars that come to a complete stop — or even anything approaching a complete stop — when I'm sitting on my porch is about 30 percent. Just now while I typed this line, five different cars rolled through the intersection without even attempting to stop.

Either you're an extremely, extremely slow writer or just a bald-faced liar. I'm guessing the latter.

Sorry, should have been "typed this post," not typed this line. And I originally had three, but then a couple more went by, so I changed it to five. The only time cars stop at this stop sign is when more than one of them arrive at the same time.

It's ok. Everyone knows you're lying. Maybe try to come up with something that doesn't seem completely ridiculous?

Cars not stopping at a stop sign, totally ridiculous, I know! Imagine that.

Now you're lying about lying? Sweet. I believe you said *five* cars did not even slow for a stop sign in the 20 seconds you spent writing a post, which makes no sense on so many levels.

I spent about 2 minutes with that post open on my laptop, because I was doing a couple of other things at the same time. During those two minutes, five cars blew through the stop sign without coming to anything approaching a complete stop. I never said none of them slowed at all, though at least one of them did not (it was turning right). I live a block from a major commercial corridor, and cars cut past my house to get there all the time. What is it that you think is a lie? That the cars existed? That they didn't stop? Do you really think every car stops at every stop sign all the time?

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Anonymous wrote:Bicyclists hate having to stop at the end of each block for a stop sign because they think it's too physically tiring to constantly have to stop and start again. That's why they're doing this.

The safety argument (which makes zero sense) is just a fig leaf.

Well to be fair, when a cyclist take the lane as they are legally allowed to do, the cars stacked up behind them don't want to stop for the cyclist at each stop sign either.

Yeah, next time you're driving behind a bicycle, see how happy you are if the cyclist stops at every stop sign.

Pretty sure this has never happened so I guess we'll never know how a driver would respond

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time you saw a cyclist stop at a stop sign? When was the last time you saw a cyclist cited for ignoring traffic laws?

Yes, definitely bicycles are the only vehicle that don't always stop at every single stop sign and don't get cited.

I probably stop at a higher percentage of stop signs on my bike than the drivers who approach the four-way stop outside my house do. I'd guess the share of cars that come to a complete stop — or even anything approaching a complete stop — when I'm sitting on my porch is about 30 percent. Just now while I typed this line, five different cars rolled through the intersection without even attempting to stop.

Either you're an extremely, extremely slow writer or just a bald-faced liar. I'm guessing the latter.

Sorry, should have been "typed this post," not typed this line. And I originally had three, but then a couple more went by, so I changed it to five. The only time cars stop at this stop sign is when more than one of them arrive at the same time.

It's ok. Everyone knows you're lying. Maybe try to come up with something that doesn't seem completely ridiculous?

Cars not stopping at a stop sign, totally ridiculous, I know! Imagine that.

Now you're lying about lying? Sweet. I believe you said *five* cars did not even slow for a stop sign in the 20 seconds you spent writing a post, which makes no sense on so many levels.

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time you saw a cyclist stop at a stop sign? When was the last time you saw a cyclist cited for ignoring traffic laws?

Yes, definitely bicycles are the only vehicle that don't always stop at every single stop sign and don't get cited.

I probably stop at a higher percentage of stop signs on my bike than the drivers who approach the four-way stop outside my house do. I'd guess the share of cars that come to a complete stop — or even anything approaching a complete stop — when I'm sitting on my porch is about 30 percent. Just now while I typed this line, five different cars rolled through the intersection without even attempting to stop.

Either you're an extremely, extremely slow writer or just a bald-faced liar. I'm guessing the latter.

Sorry, should have been "typed this post," not typed this line. And I originally had three, but then a couple more went by, so I changed it to five. The only time cars stop at this stop sign is when more than one of them arrive at the same time.

It's ok. Everyone knows you're lying. Maybe try to come up with something that doesn't seem completely ridiculous?

Cars not stopping at a stop sign, totally ridiculous, I know! Imagine that.

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Anonymous wrote:Bicyclists hate having to stop at the end of each block for a stop sign because they think it's too physically tiring to constantly have to stop and start again. That's why they're doing this.

The safety argument (which makes zero sense) is just a fig leaf.

Well to be fair, when a cyclist take the lane as they are legally allowed to do, the cars stacked up behind them don't want to stop for the cyclist at each stop sign either.

Yeah, next time you're driving behind a bicycle, see how happy you are if the cyclist stops at every stop sign.

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Anonymous wrote:Cars NEVER stop for stop signs unless there is conflicting traffic. Seriously - stand by any stop sign and see for yourself. Every single one rolls through.

Allowing cyclists to roll through increases safety because they can proceed through the intersection when they see it's clear.

They never stop even if there is conflicting traffic. That is why the stop light cameras (like the one in Glover Park) rake in millions in fines. Because none of the drivers in this city actually knows what "stop" means. The reality is that - outside of the intersections with these cameras - the Idaho Stop is perfectly normal and accepted behavior even for heavy vehicles. The total hypocrisy of drivers on this - and other issues of compliance with traffic laws - is phenomenal.

Err, bicyclists are the ones claiming here that they should be exempt from a law (stopping at stop signs) that everyone else must follow.

Sure, you may have seen a driver run a stop sign but there's a half million vehicles in the city so you're going to see all kinds of things.

And drivers are not asking the city council to give them a special exemption from the law.

A cyclist yielding at an open intersection does not harm anyone. Cars not stopping can be fatal.

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time you saw a cyclist stop at a stop sign? When was the last time you saw a cyclist cited for ignoring traffic laws?

Yes, definitely bicycles are the only vehicle that don't always stop at every single stop sign and don't get cited.

I probably stop at a higher percentage of stop signs on my bike than the drivers who approach the four-way stop outside my house do. I'd guess the share of cars that come to a complete stop — or even anything approaching a complete stop — when I'm sitting on my porch is about 30 percent. Just now while I typed this line, five different cars rolled through the intersection without even attempting to stop.

Either you're an extremely, extremely slow writer or just a bald-faced liar. I'm guessing the latter.

Sorry, should have been "typed this post," not typed this line. And I originally had three, but then a couple more went by, so I changed it to five. The only time cars stop at this stop sign is when more than one of them arrive at the same time.

It's ok. Everyone knows you're lying. Maybe try to come up with something that doesn't seem completely ridiculous?

Anonymous wrote:this seems pretty insane. im guessing we're in for some horrific accidents. this would also seem to raise all kinds of legal liability issues.

How racist!

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time you saw a cyclist stop at a stop sign? When was the last time you saw a cyclist cited for ignoring traffic laws?

Yes, definitely bicycles are the only vehicle that don't always stop at every single stop sign and don't get cited.

I probably stop at a higher percentage of stop signs on my bike than the drivers who approach the four-way stop outside my house do. I'd guess the share of cars that come to a complete stop — or even anything approaching a complete stop — when I'm sitting on my porch is about 30 percent. Just now while I typed this line, five different cars rolled through the intersection without even attempting to stop.

Either you're an extremely, extremely slow writer or just a bald-faced liar. I'm guessing the latter.

I am a different poster. I take walks in my neighborhood virtually every day. You can count on one hand the number of cars I have personally witnessed, come to a stop at a stop sign over the past three years. Take a little time on your feet and witness the glory of cars just ignoring stop signs at will. It happens all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time you saw a cyclist stop at a stop sign? When was the last time you saw a cyclist cited for ignoring traffic laws?

Yes, definitely bicycles are the only vehicle that don't always stop at every single stop sign and don't get cited.

I probably stop at a higher percentage of stop signs on my bike than the drivers who approach the four-way stop outside my house do. I'd guess the share of cars that come to a complete stop — or even anything approaching a complete stop — when I'm sitting on my porch is about 30 percent. Just now while I typed this line, five different cars rolled through the intersection without even attempting to stop.

Either you're an extremely, extremely slow writer or just a bald-faced liar. I'm guessing the latter.

Sorry, should have been "typed this post," not typed this line. And I originally had three, but then a couple more went by, so I changed it to five. The only time cars stop at this stop sign is when more than one of them arrive at the same time.

Anonymous wrote:Bicyclists hate having to stop at the end of each block for a stop sign because they think it's too physically tiring to constantly have to stop and start again. That's why they're doing this.

The safety argument (which makes zero sense) is just a fig leaf.

Well to be fair, when a cyclist take the lane as they are legally allowed to do, the cars stacked up behind them don't want to stop for the cyclist at each stop sign either.

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Anonymous wrote:this seems pretty insane. im guessing we're in for some horrific accidents. this would also seem to raise all kinds of legal liability issues.

We were already having horrific accidents. Have you not noticed all the ghost bike memorials? Those were all human beings killed by cars.

And none of those accidents were the result of a cyclist pulling an "Idaho Stop"

In fact, almost all of them were due to operators of vehicles not being aware of their surroundings when making a right turn.

Bicyclists hate having to stop at the end of each block for a stop sign because they think it's too physically tiring to constantly have to stop and start again. That's why they're doing this.

The safety argument (which makes zero sense) is just a fig leaf.

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Anonymous wrote:When was the last time you saw a cyclist stop at a stop sign? When was the last time you saw a cyclist cited for ignoring traffic laws?

Yes, definitely bicycles are the only vehicle that don't always stop at every single stop sign and don't get cited.

I probably stop at a higher percentage of stop signs on my bike than the drivers who approach the four-way stop outside my house do. I'd guess the share of cars that come to a complete stop — or even anything approaching a complete stop — when I'm sitting on my porch is about 30 percent. Just now while I typed this line, five different cars rolled through the intersection without even attempting to stop.

Either you're an extremely, extremely slow writer or just a bald-faced liar. I'm guessing the latter.