Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:16
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Is it so embarrassing that Columbus Day is still celebrated. It should banned entirely.
It should not. No reason to cancel Columbus.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:15
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t people native to the place where they were born?
Not necessarily.
Most in the U.S. are occupiers.
+1
It depends on how you define native, of course. But since there are "Native Americans," it's weird to call yourself "native to America." I think people usually say "first generation immigrant" or "born the USA" or something like that if they want to say they were born in the US.
There are American Indians or more properly, the specific tribe. Of course most Americans are native to the U.S. Where else would we be native to?
Most “Americans” are occupiers, living on stolen land.
There is no doubt that the native Americans were treated poorly by the early colonizers and that many, if not most, of the treaties were broken and yes land was stolen. But to say that modern Americans are occupiers is incorrect. After a certain amount of generations you are and become native to the area in which you were born into.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:14
Subject: Re:Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:If I'm not native to the US, I am native to nowhere. That's fine, I suppose.
Several people on this thread are trying to make you stateless.
For what purpose?
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:13
Subject: Re:Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
If I'm not native to the US, I am native to nowhere. That's fine, I suppose.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:12
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.
Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.
By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.
Oh please.
PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?
My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).
So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.
But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.
They are all American. The adjectives describe different flavors, not different countries.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:10
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.
Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.
By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.
Oh please.
PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?
My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).
So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.
But by this, wouldn’t African-American assemble into simply being American? Same with Asian-American, etc.. at what point in time would that happen.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 10:07
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.
Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.
By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.
Oh please.
PP is correct though. If you don't accept the dictionary definition of "native" meaning the place where you were born, then you have to ask, how far back do you go in your genealogy to get to your 'native' land? And who gets to decide?
My ancestors came from places that are now politically three different countries on two different continents, and if you research the surnames, they were occupiers of that land anyway, and came from somewhere else, and that somewhere else was only settled in historically available times, so clearly they were somewhere else before that ... where do I stop to state my native country and will it be the current political state occupying that land or whatever it was known as the farthest back we can trace? And which family line am I supposed to use to find my native land, since they all lead to different places (though ultimately south Africa according to anthropologists).
So you see why the actual definition of one's native land is where an individual personally was born.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:55
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:New Oxford Dictionary definition:
“a person born in a specified place or associated with a place by birth, whether subsequently resident there or not.”
So, yes, people are native to wherever they are born.
What a ridiculous oversimplification.
No, words have meaning and this is the meaning of the word “native.”
One can dislike the way an area was settled by different groups of people in the past, but as a PP has pointed out, even the Native American/First Nations people originally came to this land mass from somewhere else.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:51
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.
Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.
By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.
Oh please.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:48
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.
Nah. The indigenous people all came from somewhere else, mostly from Asia. And those people originally came from somewhere else too.
By your definition, no one is native once you get away from the people living in southern Africa.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:48
Subject: Re:Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
#LandBack
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:47
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Most of us are living on stolen land.
Do you mean every human being, all 7.7 billion of us? You said "most of us". Who is not?
I did not say (and no one implied) “world population.”
Maybe you should try re-reading the thread title again, but read it more carefully the second time.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:46
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
The only natives to this country are the indigenous peoples. Which makes white supremacy in this country all the more laughable.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:46
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t people native to the place where they were born?
Not necessarily.
Most in the U.S. are occupiers.
+1
It depends on how you define native, of course. But since there are "Native Americans," it's weird to call yourself "native to America." I think people usually say "first generation immigrant" or "born the USA" or something like that if they want to say they were born in the US.
There are American Indians or more properly, the specific tribe. Of course most Americans are native to the U.S. Where else would we be native to?
Most “Americans” are occupiers, living on stolen land.
Nope. Maybe you are, I don't know, but most aren't.
Anonymous
09/19/2022 09:44
Subject: Can you be a native of America/United States of America if you are not Native American?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t people native to the place where they were born?
Not necessarily.
Most in the U.S. are occupiers.
+1
It depends on how you define native, of course. But since there are "Native Americans," it's weird to call yourself "native to America." I think people usually say "first generation immigrant" or "born the USA" or something like that if they want to say they were born in the US.
There are American Indians or more properly, the specific tribe. Of course most Americans are native to the U.S. Where else would we be native to?
Most “Americans” are occupiers, living on stolen land.