Anonymous
Post 09/06/2022 21:19     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:My child is in 3rd grade, and goes into a 5th grade AAP class each day for Math. He has been tracking this way since 1st grade, when he was placed into a 3rd grade AAP class for Math. We were told that cases like this are extremely unusual, but it does happen.


May I ask how he was identified in K or 1st as this advanced in math? There's no real testing in those grades - except for iReady?
Anonymous
Post 09/06/2022 21:05     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

My child is in 3rd grade, and goes into a 5th grade AAP class each day for Math. He has been tracking this way since 1st grade, when he was placed into a 3rd grade AAP class for Math. We were told that cases like this are extremely unusual, but it does happen.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 22:06     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

The one kid from our center school who took algebra in 7th at the middle school (and was a year ahead in Language arts) was denied admittance to TJ.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 16:45     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:
Scores like that are likely strong enough for a kid to be considered for the skip into 6th AAP math at 5th grade if your school allowed it, but not enough for an earlier skip. To put things into perspective, my kid, who was skipped ahead twice, scored a 560 in math at the beginning of 2nd grade (when taking 3rd grade AAP math) and a 607 when taking the 7th grade iready at the beginning of 4th (when taking 6th grade AAP math). Skips before 6th grade are quite rare in any FCPS school, and they're only offered to kids who are off the charts.



How did your kid get into 3rd grade AAP as a second grader? Did FCPS come to you while he was in 1st grade? or did you approach them?
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 16:38     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:It is very much school dependent. My school did not appear to be interested in having that conversation even though all of DS's teachers could see he was ahead in math.


PP here. He has always been far ahead in the iReady and has Passed Advanced, with a perfect score or missing one question, on the math SOL and the reading SOL, not that reading matters in this case. I am guessing that at a different school he would have been identified to be moved ahead.


How far ahead in iready? There's a big difference between 99th percentile, 2 or 3 years above grade level, and so far off the charts that the results don't even make sense.
Many things in FCPS are principal dependent. Even if your kid were the most gifted kid to ever grace FCPS, your child won't be skipped ahead if the Principal doesn't allow it.


They don't have the paper work for the past years available. Last year he ended the year with an iReady of 559 with the scaled score being between a 482-526. I don't have the documents but the spread seems to be the same every year he has taken the iReady. His beginning of the year score is already at the end of the year range and his end of the year score is 30 or so points ahead of the top of the range. I am not sure if that is enough at a school that does advance kids but our school does not advance kids. Most of the Teachers have told us that it is rare for kids in Advanced Math at the school to choose Algebra 1 in 7th grade.

We supplement with RSM and use school as a place to practice foundational skills so that those are really, really solid.

Scores like that are likely strong enough for a kid to be considered for the skip into 6th AAP math at 5th grade if your school allowed it, but not enough for an earlier skip. To put things into perspective, my kid, who was skipped ahead twice, scored a 560 in math at the beginning of 2nd grade (when taking 3rd grade AAP math) and a 607 when taking the 7th grade iready at the beginning of 4th (when taking 6th grade AAP math). Skips before 6th grade are quite rare in any FCPS school, and they're only offered to kids who are off the charts.


He was at a 472 in second grade.

I am not all that stressed about it, we supplement outside the school and treat school as important practice for foundational skills. I am comfortable with his taking Algebra in 7th grade. Our school isn't going to skip anyone. I just wish that the County had a more set policy for these things so it was less school and Principal dependent and a viable option for all kids across the County.


Yep. That's a big issue with FCPS. For many things, they don't have any guidelines at all, and the principals can just do whatever they want. When there are established guidelines, such as for the skipping ahead of 5th graders into 6th grade AAP math, the principals still have the sole authority to decide whether they're going to allow skipping for the kids who otherwise qualify under these guidelines. FCPS is not concerned with being consistent across schools.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 16:30     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is very much school dependent. My school did not appear to be interested in having that conversation even though all of DS's teachers could see he was ahead in math.


PP here. He has always been far ahead in the iReady and has Passed Advanced, with a perfect score or missing one question, on the math SOL and the reading SOL, not that reading matters in this case. I am guessing that at a different school he would have been identified to be moved ahead.


How far ahead in iready? There's a big difference between 99th percentile, 2 or 3 years above grade level, and so far off the charts that the results don't even make sense.
Many things in FCPS are principal dependent. Even if your kid were the most gifted kid to ever grace FCPS, your child won't be skipped ahead if the Principal doesn't allow it.


They don't have the paper work for the past years available. Last year he ended the year with an iReady of 559 with the scaled score being between a 482-526. I don't have the documents but the spread seems to be the same every year he has taken the iReady. His beginning of the year score is already at the end of the year range and his end of the year score is 30 or so points ahead of the top of the range. I am not sure if that is enough at a school that does advance kids but our school does not advance kids. Most of the Teachers have told us that it is rare for kids in Advanced Math at the school to choose Algebra 1 in 7th grade.

We supplement with RSM and use school as a place to practice foundational skills so that those are really, really solid.

Scores like that are likely strong enough for a kid to be considered for the skip into 6th AAP math at 5th grade if your school allowed it, but not enough for an earlier skip. To put things into perspective, my kid, who was skipped ahead twice, scored a 560 in math at the beginning of 2nd grade (when taking 3rd grade AAP math) and a 607 when taking the 7th grade iready at the beginning of 4th (when taking 6th grade AAP math). Skips before 6th grade are quite rare in any FCPS school, and they're only offered to kids who are off the charts.


He was at a 472 in second grade.

I am not all that stressed about it, we supplement outside the school and treat school as important practice for foundational skills. I am comfortable with his taking Algebra in 7th grade. Our school isn't going to skip anyone. I just wish that the County had a more set policy for these things so it was less school and Principal dependent and a viable option for all kids across the County.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 15:50     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is very much school dependent. My school did not appear to be interested in having that conversation even though all of DS's teachers could see he was ahead in math.


PP here. He has always been far ahead in the iReady and has Passed Advanced, with a perfect score or missing one question, on the math SOL and the reading SOL, not that reading matters in this case. I am guessing that at a different school he would have been identified to be moved ahead.


How far ahead in iready? There's a big difference between 99th percentile, 2 or 3 years above grade level, and so far off the charts that the results don't even make sense.
Many things in FCPS are principal dependent. Even if your kid were the most gifted kid to ever grace FCPS, your child won't be skipped ahead if the Principal doesn't allow it.


They don't have the paper work for the past years available. Last year he ended the year with an iReady of 559 with the scaled score being between a 482-526. I don't have the documents but the spread seems to be the same every year he has taken the iReady. His beginning of the year score is already at the end of the year range and his end of the year score is 30 or so points ahead of the top of the range. I am not sure if that is enough at a school that does advance kids but our school does not advance kids. Most of the Teachers have told us that it is rare for kids in Advanced Math at the school to choose Algebra 1 in 7th grade.

We supplement with RSM and use school as a place to practice foundational skills so that those are really, really solid.

Scores like that are likely strong enough for a kid to be considered for the skip into 6th AAP math at 5th grade if your school allowed it, but not enough for an earlier skip. To put things into perspective, my kid, who was skipped ahead twice, scored a 560 in math at the beginning of 2nd grade (when taking 3rd grade AAP math) and a 607 when taking the 7th grade iready at the beginning of 4th (when taking 6th grade AAP math). Skips before 6th grade are quite rare in any FCPS school, and they're only offered to kids who are off the charts.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 15:18     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is very much school dependent. My school did not appear to be interested in having that conversation even though all of DS's teachers could see he was ahead in math.


PP here. He has always been far ahead in the iReady and has Passed Advanced, with a perfect score or missing one question, on the math SOL and the reading SOL, not that reading matters in this case. I am guessing that at a different school he would have been identified to be moved ahead.


How far ahead in iready? There's a big difference between 99th percentile, 2 or 3 years above grade level, and so far off the charts that the results don't even make sense.
Many things in FCPS are principal dependent. Even if your kid were the most gifted kid to ever grace FCPS, your child won't be skipped ahead if the Principal doesn't allow it.


They don't have the paper work for the past years available. Last year he ended the year with an iReady of 559 with the scaled score being between a 482-526. I don't have the documents but the spread seems to be the same every year he has taken the iReady. His beginning of the year score is already at the end of the year range and his end of the year score is 30 or so points ahead of the top of the range. I am not sure if that is enough at a school that does advance kids but our school does not advance kids. Most of the Teachers have told us that it is rare for kids in Advanced Math at the school to choose Algebra 1 in 7th grade.

We supplement with RSM and use school as a place to practice foundational skills so that those are really, really solid.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 15:06     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is very much school dependent. My school did not appear to be interested in having that conversation even though all of DS's teachers could see he was ahead in math.


PP here. He has always been far ahead in the iReady and has Passed Advanced, with a perfect score or missing one question, on the math SOL and the reading SOL, not that reading matters in this case. I am guessing that at a different school he would have been identified to be moved ahead.


How far ahead in iready? There's a big difference between 99th percentile, 2 or 3 years above grade level, and so far off the charts that the results don't even make sense.
Many things in FCPS are principal dependent. Even if your kid were the most gifted kid to ever grace FCPS, your child won't be skipped ahead if the Principal doesn't allow it.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 14:44     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:It is very much school dependent. My school did not appear to be interested in having that conversation even though all of DS's teachers could see he was ahead in math.


PP here. He has always been far ahead in the iReady and has Passed Advanced, with a perfect score or missing one question, on the math SOL and the reading SOL, not that reading matters in this case. I am guessing that at a different school he would have been identified to be moved ahead.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 14:42     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

It is very much school dependent. My school did not appear to be interested in having that conversation even though all of DS's teachers could see he was ahead in math.
Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 13:34     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Typically initiated by the school after repeated perfect SOLs, placing out of iReadys, 99% on IAAT, class performance, etc


That identification strategy makes sense for finding advanced 5th and 6th graders, but I'm seeing 2nd and 3rd graders that are in an AAP class above their grade (2nd grader in a 3rd grade aap math class). I think there's some other mechanism for those kids.


I know of two cases before 5th/6th grade.
Case 1 - Teacher observed that the kid was far ahead and pushed for a math grade skip. School conducted some testing and skipped the kid.
Case 2 - Parents told principal that the kid was abnormally advanced in math. Math specialist pulled the kid and verified not only that the kid knew all content 3-4 years above grade level, but also that the few times the kid didn't know something, they caught on after a 10 second explanation. Kid also had absurd iready scores.

Anonymous
Post 09/04/2022 13:21     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:Typically initiated by the school after repeated perfect SOLs, placing out of iReadys, 99% on IAAT, class performance, etc


That identification strategy makes sense for finding advanced 5th and 6th graders, but I'm seeing 2nd and 3rd graders that are in an AAP class above their grade (2nd grader in a 3rd grade aap math class). I think there's some other mechanism for those kids.
Anonymous
Post 09/03/2022 18:01     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Typically initiated by the school after repeated perfect SOLs, placing out of iReadys, 99% on IAAT, class performance, etc
Anonymous
Post 09/02/2022 22:55     Subject: Re:skipping two levels in math?

Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:My neighbor pushed her kid into algebra in 6th grade. Lots of tutoring and discussions with the school months in advance. Kid placed into it though and did well. Attempted geometry over the summer before 7th grade and did horribly. Kid needed to retake geometry in 7th, and that ended the parents pushing the kid ahead. The mom tells me she now regrets what they did in 6th.


Why did they do this in the first place?

I keep telling you guys this there is 0 point


There is a point for some highly gifted children. You're just unwilling to see it since you don't have children who would benefit. There's also a point in learning proper grammar, but you apparently don't see that either.


It's very very rare that's the point. P.S. go f yourself grammer bia$tch