Anonymous
08/28/2022 18:51
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Take a deep dive in the county budget and you’ll quickly notice that the biggest chunks go to schools, police and firefighters combined.
Step back and look at the shifting demographics and notice the trends promoting scarcity: older, whiter, wealthier residents are dying or relocating outside of the county and state while younger, immigrant, poorer residents are increasing (some of whom don’t pay taxes because they deal in cash-based industries).
The MoCo of the 1980s is gone. We aren’t as affluent as we were because our tax base has changed. Nonetheless, Annapolis still thinks we are rolling in cash and we consistently get shortchanged. MoCo has done a noble job of supplementing mcps when the state falls short, but it’s not enough.
So, tell me how to come up with money to increase teacher salaries? I’m totally for it btw.
An appropriation won’t happen. How about incentives where we can draw upon other resources? Why not implement full ride scholarships or loan forgiveness for teachers who commit two decades of service? Why not offer a tax break or stipend? Or a special mortgage program? Heck, why not invest in a mixed use housing development where young teachers have free or heavily subsidized housing?
If you can afford to give them subsidized housing, why not simply pay them fairly.
By giving them housing, you can throw developers who donate to political campaigns a bone. Also simply paying them fairly is way too simple which makes it hard to skim from...
Anonymous
08/28/2022 18:48
Subject: Teacher Pay
The fact is you aren’t going to attract talent unless you pay them a living wage. A teacher in Montgomery county should be able to afford to live in the county. Unless they have a spouse that is the breadwinner, teachers have been forced to move out if the county where cost of living matches their income.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 18:44
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They skipped striking and went straight to quitting.
No, 2020/2021 was more of a strike, since they eventually came back.
They worked more in 20/21. Far from a strike!
Anonymous
08/28/2022 18:40
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They skipped striking and went straight to quitting.
No, 2020/2021 was more of a strike, since they eventually came back.
Oh, grow up.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 18:40
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s only so much money to go around, and the elementary school and english teachers are scared that STEM and SPED positions will get most of the raises if they separate pay scales by area.
Maryland law prohibits teacher’s unions from organizing a strike. If you don’t like the job, then find a new job, just like any other professional would do.
News flash people are quitting. Which is why there are jobs to fill.
Classic pit people against each other to sew division.
Funny how it is sewing division to suggest teachers in the most severe shortage areas should be paid more, but it isn’t to negotiate a contract where 50 year old teachers get twice the pay and better benefits to do the same job as a 24 year old.
You don't value experience?
Absolutely, when it means there’s a corresponding increase in responsibilities and productivity. But in this case they’re doing the same job. We don’t pay doctors more to do the same procedures based on how many years they’ve been practicing.
Oy vey.
You pay more for experience as well as retention purposes.
Surely you must understand that.
Perhaps, but not 100% more. And certainly not 100% more for the same job. Can you think of any other jobs that do that?
Sure.
Police: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/HR/Resources/Files/Classification/Compensation%20Documents/FY21%20FOP%20Salary%20Schedule.pdf
Fire: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcfrs-recruiting/salary_benefits.html
County MCGEO employees: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/sheriff/Resources/Files/Directives/39167688.pdf
One of the pay scales in the MCGEO paperwork shows a job ranges from $45K to $131K in 24 years.
It’s common practice to reward for experience and longevity.
Notice how they're all union jobs? Unions love to screw over new employees, since the majority of their members are old.
Still, I'm admittedly surprised. Feds have automatic steps based on seniority, too, but that will only get you about a 25% pay increase. You need to get promotions to jobs with more responsibilities/demands/skills to open up higher salaries.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 18:33
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Take a deep dive in the county budget and you’ll quickly notice that the biggest chunks go to schools, police and firefighters combined.
Step back and look at the shifting demographics and notice the trends promoting scarcity: older, whiter, wealthier residents are dying or relocating outside of the county and state while younger, immigrant, poorer residents are increasing (some of whom don’t pay taxes because they deal in cash-based industries).
The MoCo of the 1980s is gone. We aren’t as affluent as we were because our tax base has changed. Nonetheless, Annapolis still thinks we are rolling in cash and we consistently get shortchanged. MoCo has done a noble job of supplementing mcps when the state falls short, but it’s not enough.
So, tell me how to come up with money to increase teacher salaries? I’m totally for it btw.
An appropriation won’t happen. How about incentives where we can draw upon other resources? Why not implement full ride scholarships or loan forgiveness for teachers who commit two decades of service? Why not offer a tax break or stipend? Or a special mortgage program? Heck, why not invest in a mixed use housing development where young teachers have free or heavily subsidized housing?
If you can afford to give them subsidized housing, why not simply pay them fairly.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 18:18
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s only so much money to go around, and the elementary school and english teachers are scared that STEM and SPED positions will get most of the raises if they separate pay scales by area.
Maryland law prohibits teacher’s unions from organizing a strike. If you don’t like the job, then find a new job, just like any other professional would do.
News flash people are quitting. Which is why there are jobs to fill.
Classic pit people against each other to sew division.
Funny how it is sewing division to suggest teachers in the most severe shortage areas should be paid more, but it isn’t to negotiate a contract where 50 year old teachers get twice the pay and better benefits to do the same job as a 24 year old.
You don't value experience?
Absolutely, when it means there’s a corresponding increase in responsibilities and productivity. But in this case they’re doing the same job. We don’t pay doctors more to do the same procedures based on how many years they’ve been practicing.
Oy vey.
You pay more for experience as well as retention purposes.
Surely you must understand that.
Perhaps, but not 100% more. And certainly not 100% more for the same job. Can you think of any other jobs that do that?
Sure.
Police: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/HR/Resources/Files/Classification/Compensation%20Documents/FY21%20FOP%20Salary%20Schedule.pdf
Fire: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/mcfrs-recruiting/salary_benefits.html
County MCGEO employees: https://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/sheriff/Resources/Files/Directives/39167688.pdf
One of the pay scales in the MCGEO paperwork shows a job ranges from $45K to $131K in 24 years.
It’s common practice to reward for experience and longevity.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 18:08
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s only so much money to go around, and the elementary school and english teachers are scared that STEM and SPED positions will get most of the raises if they separate pay scales by area.
Maryland law prohibits teacher’s unions from organizing a strike. If you don’t like the job, then find a new job, just like any other professional would do.
News flash people are quitting. Which is why there are jobs to fill.
Classic pit people against each other to sew division.
There’s no way to do this without causing resentment and driving more people to quit. By this plan, all elementary ed teachers, with the exception of special education teachers, would be paid less. AP and IB teachers, who need more training and certifications, would be paid less even though their jobs require more accountability because of the external orgs that oversee those types of classes. The classroom teacher with many students with IEPs would be paid less, even though she would have to do the work of implementing the IEPs in addition to her regular work. The list goes on. It doesn’t even take into account success of the teacher. Should a STEM teacher get paid more, regardless of effectiveness?
This would cause more people to resign than there already are, creating even larger shortages in ALL fields. Which would ultimately lead to… you guessed it… needing to pay these teachers more to get them back in the field.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 18:05
Subject: Re:Teacher Pay
The union has tried negotiating things but without any luck. One example is the salary cap for new employees. I’m new to MCPS this year. I’m coming out of staying home during the pandemic to cate for a high risk child. MCPS will not pay me for my 20 years of teaching experience. They will only pay me for 8 years because that’s their cap for new employees with a Master’s. So I’m making almost $30k less than I should. Already not worth it with all the other BS I’ve had to deal with in just 2 weeks on the job.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 18:03
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They skipped striking and went straight to quitting.
Teachers in Montgomery county can't strike
Teachers in Maryland can't strike, not just MCPS.
We also can’t negotiate class sizes. My school has over 35 students in core classes, over 50 in some electives without paras and coteachers. Mostly due to staffing cuts made by MCPS last February. We have way more students than they projected back then but the FTE allotments haven’t changed.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 17:53
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They skipped striking and went straight to quitting.
Teachers in Montgomery county can't strike
Teachers in Maryland can't strike, not just MCPS.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 17:11
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s only so much money to go around, and the elementary school and english teachers are scared that STEM and SPED positions will get most of the raises if they separate pay scales by area.
Maryland law prohibits teacher’s unions from organizing a strike. If you don’t like the job, then find a new job, just like any other professional would do.
News flash people are quitting. Which is why there are jobs to fill.
Classic pit people against each other to sew division.
Funny how it is sewing division to suggest teachers in the most severe shortage areas should be paid more, but it isn’t to negotiate a contract where 50 year old teachers get twice the pay and better benefits to do the same job as a 24 year old.
You don't value experience?
Absolutely, when it means there’s a corresponding increase in responsibilities and productivity. But in this case they’re doing the same job. We don’t pay doctors more to do the same procedures based on how many years they’ve been practicing.
Oy vey.
You pay more for experience as well as retention purposes.
Surely you must understand that.
Perhaps, but not 100% more. And certainly not 100% more for the same job. Can you think of any other jobs that do that?
Anonymous
08/28/2022 17:04
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s only so much money to go around, and the elementary school and english teachers are scared that STEM and SPED positions will get most of the raises if they separate pay scales by area.
Maryland law prohibits teacher’s unions from organizing a strike. If you don’t like the job, then find a new job, just like any other professional would do.
News flash people are quitting. Which is why there are jobs to fill.
Classic pit people against each other to sew division.
Funny how it is sewing division to suggest teachers in the most severe shortage areas should be paid more, but it isn’t to negotiate a contract where 50 year old teachers get twice the pay and better benefits to do the same job as a 24 year old.
You don't value experience?
Absolutely, when it means there’s a corresponding increase in responsibilities and productivity. But in this case they’re doing the same job. We don’t pay doctors more to do the same procedures based on how many years they’ve been practicing.
Oy vey.
You pay more for experience as well as retention purposes.
Surely you must understand that.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 16:56
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There’s only so much money to go around, and the elementary school and english teachers are scared that STEM and SPED positions will get most of the raises if they separate pay scales by area.
Maryland law prohibits teacher’s unions from organizing a strike. If you don’t like the job, then find a new job, just like any other professional would do.
News flash people are quitting. Which is why there are jobs to fill.
Classic pit people against each other to sew division.
Funny how it is sewing division to suggest teachers in the most severe shortage areas should be paid more, but it isn’t to negotiate a contract where 50 year old teachers get twice the pay and better benefits to do the same job as a 24 year old.
You don't value experience?
Absolutely, when it means there’s a corresponding increase in responsibilities and productivity. But in this case they’re doing the same job. We don’t pay doctors more to do the same procedures based on how many years they’ve been practicing.
Anonymous
08/28/2022 16:53
Subject: Teacher Pay
Anonymous wrote:They skipped striking and went straight to quitting.
Teachers in Montgomery county can't strike