Anonymous wrote:That’s insane OP. Kids need sufficient sleep. This is parenting 101.

Then why do do many parents let their kids have phones in their room and be up till midnight? I'm with you, by the way. But I think there are a lot of sleep deprived kids out there walking around due to TiK Tok and texting, maybe 2 days a week of early sports practice isn't that bad? Especially before HS when homework demands ramp up.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is a lot more difficult when it is only 1-2 days a week because you don't get into a routine of naturally going to bed earlier.

My son will be swimming at 4:30 am in a few weeks. We are hoping he will get at least 9 hours of sleep. In bed by 7pm and up at 4:15am.

I am sure I will also be in bed by 8

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I’m sorry, but someone needs to say it.

This is child abuse.

Pure and simple.

And what if the child chose this? It was 100% my child’s choice to switch to morning practice this coming year.

Our swim club has hundreds of kids who swim in the morning. My kid could have done afternoon but he wanted to do mornings.
He is a kid who will put himself to bed early when he is tired and none of us ever go to bed late. He will still get enough sleep just shifting it earlier.

So many kids who don’t do morning sports don’t get enough sleep. How many kids do you know whose parents let time go to bed whenever they want. We have friends whose middle school kids go to be at 10 or 11 and need to be up at 6am. Is this also abuse?

Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why educated parents are choosing this schedule for their children.

I’ll bite. I’m an attorney and my husband is a physician. We think it builds great discipline. It makes the kids goal focused and keeps them out of trouble. They get the recommended amount of sleep for their ages and they are doing well in sports and school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming this is swim. I don’t think it’s that uncommon with really talented swimmers to do this at this age. My kids play team sports so I’m not an expert in this but do know 11 year olds who have 5:30 practice and 13 year olds that have 4:00 am practice.

That doesn't mean it's right. There are so many studies showing how lack of sleep in adolescence and adulthood is detrimental. Google it.

Oh stop. Sleep IS important but most of the kids are all getting around the same amount of sleep but the hours are shifted. For example:

Kid 1: asleep at 8:30 and up at 4:30 = 8 hours

Kid 2: asleep at 10:00 and up at 6:00 = 8 hours

Many studies show that going to bed early has a lot of benefits.

Those hours are for adults. 8 hours is not enough time for a child of 11 years of age and their circadian clock is shifting to falling asleep later.

No it’s not for adults. I have teens and this is for teens. 13-18 years is 8-10 hours.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4877308/

Hey idiot, I said it was for 11 years old. You quoted 13-18. That is not 11, stupid.

The person I responded to said, “those hours are for adults.” I explained they are for teens. But nice mouth.

I don’t understand why educated parents are choosing this schedule for their children.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it is a lot more difficult when it is only 1-2 days a week because you don't get into a routine of naturally going to bed earlier.

My son will be swimming at 4:30 am in a few weeks. We are hoping he will get at least 9 hours of sleep. In bed by 7pm and up at 4:15am.

I am sure I will also be in bed by 8

We

I’m sorry, but someone needs to say it.

This is child abuse.

Pure and simple.

Regularly sleeping fewer than the number of recommended hours is associated with attention, behavior, and learning problems. Insufficient sleep also increases the risk of accidents, injuries, hypertension, obesity, diabetes, and depression. Insufficient sleep in teenagers is associated with increased risk of self-harm, suicidal thoughts, and suicide attempts.

Anonymous wrote:I think it is a lot more difficult when it is only 1-2 days a week because you don't get into a routine of naturally going to bed earlier.

My son will be swimming at 4:30 am in a few weeks. We are hoping he will get at least 9 hours of sleep. In bed by 7pm and up at 4:15am.

I am sure I will also be in bed by 8

We

I’m sorry, but someone needs to say it.

This is child abuse.

Pure and simple.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming this is swim. I don’t think it’s that uncommon with really talented swimmers to do this at this age. My kids play team sports so I’m not an expert in this but do know 11 year olds who have 5:30 practice and 13 year olds that have 4:00 am practice.

That doesn't mean it's right. There are so many studies showing how lack of sleep in adolescence and adulthood is detrimental. Google it.

Oh stop. Sleep IS important but most of the kids are all getting around the same amount of sleep but the hours are shifted. For example:

Kid 1: asleep at 8:30 and up at 4:30 = 8 hours

Kid 2: asleep at 10:00 and up at 6:00 = 8 hours

Many studies show that going to bed early has a lot of benefits.

Those hours are for adults. 8 hours is not enough time for a child of 11 years of age and their circadian clock is shifting to falling asleep later.

No it’s not for adults. I have teens and this is for teens. 13-18 years is 8-10 hours.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4877308/

Hey idiot, I said it was for 11 years old. You quoted 13-18. That is not 11, stupid.

That’s insane OP. Kids need sufficient sleep. This is parenting 101.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming this is swim. I don’t think it’s that uncommon with really talented swimmers to do this at this age. My kids play team sports so I’m not an expert in this but do know 11 year olds who have 5:30 practice and 13 year olds that have 4:00 am practice.

That doesn't mean it's right. There are so many studies showing how lack of sleep in adolescence and adulthood is detrimental. Google it.

Oh stop. Sleep IS important but most of the kids are all getting around the same amount of sleep but the hours are shifted. For example:

Kid 1: asleep at 8:30 and up at 4:30 = 8 hours

Kid 2: asleep at 10:00 and up at 6:00 = 8 hours

Many studies show that going to bed early has a lot of benefits.

9-12 is the recommendation for children aged 6-12

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4877308/#:~:text=Children%206%20to%2012%20years,basis%20to%20promote%20optimal%20health.

Just keep in mind that being in bed for eight hours doesn’t equal eight hours of sleep. Adults usually are awake or restless for 45-60 minutes throughout the night. Children tend to sleep a little more deeply but maybe add at least an extra 30 minutes to their sleep schedule to get to your actual goal.

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Anonymous wrote:If you have a swimmer or figure skater who practices early in the morning, how many hours of sleep do they get per night? I have an 11 yo that is just starting early morning practice. In bed by 8:30 but didn't fall asleep until 9:30, then woke up at 5:30 and practiced hard for an hour and then fell asleep on the way from school to practice and looked really tired walking into school.

Just curious what is your end goal?

I started early morning swim practice at age 11, this was back in the 80s. I don't think most child athletes are thinking too much about end points at this age other than being as good as they can (improving times for swimming) and having fun - i did it because i loved the sport and was good at it. And i don't think these kids and families need an end point...it's totally fine to enjoy it and get the benefits of strong work ethic, excellent fitness, confidence, excelling or improving at their sport in the moment.

OP, this will be an adjustment for your child. They will be tired at first, but keep encouraging an early bedtime (without pressure) and if they are tired enough, it will happen. Eventually, they will decide it's worth it or not.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming this is swim. I don’t think it’s that uncommon with really talented swimmers to do this at this age. My kids play team sports so I’m not an expert in this but do know 11 year olds who have 5:30 practice and 13 year olds that have 4:00 am practice.

That doesn't mean it's right. There are so many studies showing how lack of sleep in adolescence and adulthood is detrimental. Google it.

Oh stop. Sleep IS important but most of the kids are all getting around the same amount of sleep but the hours are shifted. For example:

Kid 1: asleep at 8:30 and up at 4:30 = 8 hours

Kid 2: asleep at 10:00 and up at 6:00 = 8 hours

Many studies show that going to bed early has a lot of benefits.

Those hours are for adults. 8 hours is not enough time for a child of 11 years of age and their circadian clock is shifting to falling asleep later.

No it’s not for adults. I have teens and this is for teens. 13-18 years is 8-10 hours.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4877308/

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Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming this is swim. I don’t think it’s that uncommon with really talented swimmers to do this at this age. My kids play team sports so I’m not an expert in this but do know 11 year olds who have 5:30 practice and 13 year olds that have 4:00 am practice.

That doesn't mean it's right. There are so many studies showing how lack of sleep in adolescence and adulthood is detrimental. Google it.

Oh stop. Sleep IS important but most of the kids are all getting around the same amount of sleep but the hours are shifted. For example:

Kid 1: asleep at 8:30 and up at 4:30 = 8 hours

Kid 2: asleep at 10:00 and up at 6:00 = 8 hours

Many studies show that going to bed early has a lot of benefits.

Those hours are for adults. 8 hours is not enough time for a child of 11 years of age and their circadian clock is shifting to falling asleep later.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m assuming this is swim. I don’t think it’s that uncommon with really talented swimmers to do this at this age. My kids play team sports so I’m not an expert in this but do know 11 year olds who have 5:30 practice and 13 year olds that have 4:00 am practice.

That doesn't mean it's right. There are so many studies showing how lack of sleep in adolescence and adulthood is detrimental. Google it.

Oh stop. Sleep IS important but most of the kids are all getting around the same amount of sleep but the hours are shifted. For example:

Kid 1: asleep at 8:30 and up at 4:30 = 8 hours

Kid 2: asleep at 10:00 and up at 6:00 = 8 hours

Many studies show that going to bed early has a lot of benefits.