Anonymous
08/14/2022 11:04
Subject: Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
OP, Is your fear of this person coming back to you what's troubling you? Do you agree this person should be fired? I think that's the step 1. I assume answer is yes?
Anonymous
08/14/2022 10:36
Subject: Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You seem to have an anxiety issue
I do. Hence why I don’t want to send a removal memo and why I asked if someone else could do this? I realize what this would do to my reputation but my mental health is more important right now. I haven’t slept in 3 days thinking about this issue.
Is your supervisor forcing you to fire this person? I saw this happening twice at my agency. The managers lost their jobs / got demoted, nothing happened to the official director, and the employees got money to settle.
At this point, I don't care if I get demoted. I can't really think straight about this situation anymore. I don't know what's right and I just want out of this decision-making process.
Honestly you should get demoted. Being a mid-level Fed manager does not seem worth it to me.
I agree. Middle management is something you have to want, not just take to be promoted.
OP - if you have trouble with this, you need to assess your overall performance as a manager. I don’t say that to be a jerk. Many middle managers are poor at making decisions and worry too much about themselves instead of their Staff. Your job is partly to protect the team. You have someone on your team making it harder for everyone else and wasting taxpayer money. It’s your job to fix it. Go do your job. This person is likely to go to the Union (if you have one) or sue, then make 100% certain you have a real case for dismissal. HR will help work it out. Get therapy, if needed. I saw an EAP counselor for anxiety I had working with a coworker and it was an excellent support service that really helped me.
I guess I feel like if I fire this individual that I will be looking over my shoulder for the rest of my life and it’s all for what. To make management happy?
Anonymous
08/14/2022 08:45
Subject: Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You seem to have an anxiety issue
I do. Hence why I don’t want to send a removal memo and why I asked if someone else could do this? I realize what this would do to my reputation but my mental health is more important right now. I haven’t slept in 3 days thinking about this issue.
Is your supervisor forcing you to fire this person? I saw this happening twice at my agency. The managers lost their jobs / got demoted, nothing happened to the official director, and the employees got money to settle.
At this point, I don't care if I get demoted. I can't really think straight about this situation anymore. I don't know what's right and I just want out of this decision-making process.
Honestly you should get demoted. Being a mid-level Fed manager does not seem worth it to me.
I agree. Middle management is something you have to want, not just take to be promoted.
OP - if you have trouble with this, you need to assess your overall performance as a manager. I don’t say that to be a jerk. Many middle managers are poor at making decisions and worry too much about themselves instead of their Staff. Your job is partly to protect the team. You have someone on your team making it harder for everyone else and wasting taxpayer money. It’s your job to fix it. Go do your job. This person is likely to go to the Union (if you have one) or sue, then make 100% certain you have a real case for dismissal. HR will help work it out. Get therapy, if needed. I saw an EAP counselor for anxiety I had working with a coworker and it was an excellent support service that really helped me.
Anonymous
08/14/2022 08:40
Subject: Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You seem to have an anxiety issue
I do. Hence why I don’t want to send a removal memo and why I asked if someone else could do this? I realize what this would do to my reputation but my mental health is more important right now. I haven’t slept in 3 days thinking about this issue.
Is your supervisor forcing you to fire this person? I saw this happening twice at my agency. The managers lost their jobs / got demoted, nothing happened to the official director, and the employees got money to settle.
At this point, I don't care if I get demoted. I can't really think straight about this situation anymore. I don't know what's right and I just want out of this decision-making process.
Honestly you should get demoted. Being a mid-level Fed manager does not seem worth it to me.
Anonymous
08/14/2022 08:34
Subject: Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You seem to have an anxiety issue
I do. Hence why I don’t want to send a removal memo and why I asked if someone else could do this? I realize what this would do to my reputation but my mental health is more important right now. I haven’t slept in 3 days thinking about this issue.
Is your supervisor forcing you to fire this person? I saw this happening twice at my agency. The managers lost their jobs / got demoted, nothing happened to the official director, and the employees got money to settle.
At this point, I don't care if I get demoted. I can't really think straight about this situation anymore. I don't know what's right and I just want out of this decision-making process.
Anonymous
08/13/2022 23:18
Subject: Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You seem to have an anxiety issue
I do. Hence why I don’t want to send a removal memo and why I asked if someone else could do this? I realize what this would do to my reputation but my mental health is more important right now. I haven’t slept in 3 days thinking about this issue.
Is your supervisor forcing you to fire this person? I saw this happening twice at my agency. The managers lost their jobs / got demoted, nothing happened to the official director, and the employees got money to settle.
Anonymous
08/13/2022 22:32
Subject: Re:Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
OP you don't have to fire them but you got this crap employee foisted on you and now everyone is going to know you're the one to dump on and get away with it.
Anonymous
08/13/2022 22:18
Subject: Re:Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
This is pathetic. You are removing someone for not performing but you admit youre not able to perform your job. Step down if you refuse to carry out your duties. I dont care if its scary for you. Supervisors should be able to deal with conflict.
Anonymous
08/13/2022 22:09
Subject: Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
Anonymous wrote:You seem to have an anxiety issue
I do. Hence why I don’t want to send a removal memo and why I asked if someone else could do this? I realize what this would do to my reputation but my mental health is more important right now. I haven’t slept in 3 days thinking about this issue.
Anonymous
08/13/2022 17:15
Subject: Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
You seem to have an anxiety issue
Anonymous
08/13/2022 17:13
Subject: Re:Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you scared to sign off on the memo as the direct supervisor unless your reasons to fire the employee have no merit?
Because everyone sues and I don’t want to deal. I also have anxiety and would always be watching my back not knowing if the employee were going to come for me. The internet makes people easy to find.
Do you have any solid reasons to believe the employee would be violent towards you or is this your anxiety in hyper-drive? If there are reasons, you need to discuss them with HR.
Anonymous
08/13/2022 16:15
Subject: Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
If you are not willing to take on the responsibility of justifiably firing a poor-performing employee, do us all a favor and step down as a Fed supervisor. And yeah, that means signing the memo.
Anonymous
08/13/2022 16:12
Subject: Re:Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why are you scared to sign off on the memo as the direct supervisor unless your reasons to fire the employee have no merit?
Because everyone sues and I don’t want to deal. I also have anxiety and would always be watching my back not knowing if the employee were going to come for me. The internet makes people easy to find.
Dude you shouldn’t have accepted the promotion.
Anonymous
08/13/2022 15:58
Subject: Re:Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
Anonymous wrote:Why are you scared to sign off on the memo as the direct supervisor unless your reasons to fire the employee have no merit?
Because everyone sues and I don’t want to deal. I also have anxiety and would always be watching my back not knowing if the employee were going to come for me. The internet makes people easy to find.
Anonymous
08/13/2022 15:36
Subject: Re:Any way to have an employee fired from a federal job without the firstline supervisor doing it?
Why are you scared to sign off on the memo as the direct supervisor unless your reasons to fire the employee have no merit?