Anonymous
08/07/2022 12:13
Subject: Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Anonymous wrote:What I think is interesting- and call me a racist - is the values Asian Americans are bringing are basically WASP values (hard work, thrift and entrepreneurial chutzpah to mix metaphors, lol)
What makes me laugh is my friend - who grew up in South Korea - admitting his generation came to US to escape the cram school but - due largely to the pull of culture - ended up remaking all of them here. Kumon, etc.
yes, the but the level is much much easier here. That's why they do it here. Competition for them here is much easier.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 12:12
Subject: Re:Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Anonymous wrote:It feels important here to reassert that this article is an opinion piece by an Asian American columnist. There is no white author here saying AA success is a “problem.”
what white person would publicly state that, though? That would be embarrassing for white people to admit.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 12:05
Subject: Re:Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I expect I’m one of the UMC white people that the article talks about. I can see the perspective, because it’s true that Asian American families have brought a change to the culture of schools, where you cannot do well anymore unless you spend significant amount of time studying outside of school either in enrichment classes or with your family. There’s no doubt that this is a cultural shift, brought from countries where this kind of studying outside of school is common, and where failure to secure jobs in a few specific fields means poverty.
I will freely say that as a parent this is simply not worth the stress and pressure to me. It’s not how I want to raise my kids. And, I know enough about America to know that there is more to life than aspiring to only a few prestigious colleges and careers. I am not going to fight about it, but I certainly am going to escape it. In our area the Asian American families won’t consider any schools ranked less than 7 or so on GreatSchools, so our local schools are largely free of this pressure. Nevertheless, kids go to colleges that are just fine with us, get good jobs, go to grad school, etc.
If you don’t like the new rules, you can choose not to play the game.
This is textbook white privilege. Hard work to get ahead is for brown people.
It’s only white privilege if I say I want the same outcome for less work. I literally don’t want what these parents want. They are more oriented toward status and wealth than we will ever be. So let them keep their schools.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 11:36
Subject: Re:Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Anonymous wrote:I expect I’m one of the UMC white people that the article talks about. I can see the perspective, because it’s true that Asian American families have brought a change to the culture of schools, where you cannot do well anymore unless you spend significant amount of time studying outside of school either in enrichment classes or with your family. There’s no doubt that this is a cultural shift, brought from countries where this kind of studying outside of school is common, and where failure to secure jobs in a few specific fields means poverty.
I will freely say that as a parent this is simply not worth the stress and pressure to me. It’s not how I want to raise my kids. And, I know enough about America to know that there is more to life than aspiring to only a few prestigious colleges and careers. I am not going to fight about it, but I certainly am going to escape it. In our area the Asian American families won’t consider any schools ranked less than 7 or so on GreatSchools, so our local schools are largely free of this pressure. Nevertheless, kids go to colleges that are just fine with us, get good jobs, go to grad school, etc.
If you don’t like the new rules, you can choose not to play the game.
This is textbook white privilege. Hard work to get ahead is for brown people.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 11:30
Subject: Re:Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It feels important here to reassert that this article is an opinion piece by an Asian American columnist. There is no white author here saying AA success is a “problem.”
It’s an interview with an academic from tuft
It is, but the book is much more nuanced than the interview makes it sound. I think the interview was more about the columnist than the book author.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 11:28
Subject: Re:Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
I expect I’m one of the UMC white people that the article talks about. I can see the perspective, because it’s true that Asian American families have brought a change to the culture of schools, where you cannot do well anymore unless you spend significant amount of time studying outside of school either in enrichment classes or with your family. There’s no doubt that this is a cultural shift, brought from countries where this kind of studying outside of school is common, and where failure to secure jobs in a few specific fields means poverty.
I will freely say that as a parent this is simply not worth the stress and pressure to me. It’s not how I want to raise my kids. And, I know enough about America to know that there is more to life than aspiring to only a few prestigious colleges and careers. I am not going to fight about it, but I certainly am going to escape it. In our area the Asian American families won’t consider any schools ranked less than 7 or so on GreatSchools, so our local schools are largely free of this pressure. Nevertheless, kids go to colleges that are just fine with us, get good jobs, go to grad school, etc.
If you don’t like the new rules, you can choose not to play the game.
I will freely say that as a parent this is simply not worth the stress and pressure to me. It’s not how I want to raise my kids. And, I know enough about America to know that there is more to life than aspiring to only a few prestigious colleges and careers. I am not going to fight about it, but I certainly am going to escape it. In our area the Asian American families won’t consider any schools ranked less than 7 or so on GreatSchools, so our local schools are largely free of this pressure. Nevertheless, kids go to colleges that are just fine with us, get good jobs, go to grad school, etc.
If you don’t like the new rules, you can choose not to play the game.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 11:23
Subject: Re:Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Anonymous wrote:So white people are calling for no homework? Can someone explain why any parent would oppose their child learning to engage in self-discipline and sit down and study every night?
Well administrators said it was to “reduce student stress.” At our school it had an immediate impact on learning that was clear as day. Learning during classroom hours was reduced as well.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 10:29
Subject: Re:Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
I am not Asian but I think it is obvious that there is a significant amount of antiAsian hate especially in the realm of education.
My son attends a very competitive magnet in our city. They changed the admission standards to give preference to students from certain low income neighborhoods. During a meeting, a representative from the Chinese community spoke on behalf of the students who will lose their place. In his talk he said the parents work multiple jobs and do not speak English. That some of these students leave school and have to work with their parents and that they too were disadvantaged.
The response from the school was disgusting. They just went on about period poverty in certain neighborhoods and how these poor students had to care for siblings and that was why they needed prefer ce in admission. As if Asian students don't have similar experiences.
I have no right to speak for the Asian community, but I wish they would fight back. It has become very popular and politically correct to denigrate them
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My son attends a very competitive magnet in our city. They changed the admission standards to give preference to students from certain low income neighborhoods. During a meeting, a representative from the Chinese community spoke on behalf of the students who will lose their place. In his talk he said the parents work multiple jobs and do not speak English. That some of these students leave school and have to work with their parents and that they too were disadvantaged.
The response from the school was disgusting. They just went on about period poverty in certain neighborhoods and how these poor students had to care for siblings and that was why they needed prefer ce in admission. As if Asian students don't have similar experiences.
I have no right to speak for the Asian community, but I wish they would fight back. It has become very popular and politically correct to denigrate them
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Anonymous
08/07/2022 09:20
Subject: Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Isn’t the point of the book that groups are bringing different perspectives to education? If whites are thinking the emphasis is too much on testing, that’s not necessarily because they feel outcompeted. Besides, Asians have power too? They know how to change school boards, vote new people in, etc.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 08:58
Subject: Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As an Asian:
Excuse me?!?!?
When was any group's success a PROBLEM?
Surely no one wants too many people on food stamps? No ones wants increased taxes to go to a growing population of poors?
Isn't it great that everyone is self-sufficient and successful?
Mind-boggling.
Yes it IS great. The idea that white people hate Asians is dumb. It’s not true. Unless they happen to be racist white people who are maga then all bets are off.
Naive view. People may not "hate" Asians because, generally speaking, Asians don't cause problems - law abiding, minding their own business kinda people. Anti-Asian hate is really not about race, it's about sucess of Asians or lack thereof by others
Yes, it is about race.
White Americans don’t want other races to be more successful than them. They want to remain at the top, where the power is.
They are happy to open their lands to those they think will not move too far beyond taking care of their homes and lawns. If they come here and do the low paid work of a social worker or work in admin., all good.
But more than that, to a level that is equal to them or surpasses them? No. And that most definitely is about race.
As my African-American DD pointed out to me, think about the word "Race". The definition is " a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, boats, etc. As a verb the definition is "compete with another or others to see who is fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective". The 5 races are white, black or African-American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander. It is not by accident that people are divided by the word "race". We are literally in a "Race" with each other. Whites have been leading the race. They are not going to concede easily to another race.
Forgot to add that "some" people will do all sorts of underhanded things in order to win the race. Think of Tonya Harding trying to disable her competition or athletes on illegal steroids to increase their odds. Think about the number of competitors who have been actually killed in order to win the race (love rivals, business rivals, etc.) Things like this happen between countries and races of people too. How many times have you heard people speak disparagingly about their competition? The Human Race is a serious competition.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 08:55
Subject: Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
What I think is interesting- and call me a racist - is the values Asian Americans are bringing are basically WASP values (hard work, thrift and entrepreneurial chutzpah to mix metaphors, lol)
What makes me laugh is my friend - who grew up in South Korea - admitting his generation came to US to escape the cram school but - due largely to the pull of culture - ended up remaking all of them here. Kumon, etc.
What makes me laugh is my friend - who grew up in South Korea - admitting his generation came to US to escape the cram school but - due largely to the pull of culture - ended up remaking all of them here. Kumon, etc.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 08:44
Subject: Re:Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Anonymous wrote:It feels important here to reassert that this article is an opinion piece by an Asian American columnist. There is no white author here saying AA success is a “problem.”
It’s an interview with an academic from tuft
Anonymous
08/07/2022 08:38
Subject: Re:Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
It feels important here to reassert that this article is an opinion piece by an Asian American columnist. There is no white author here saying AA success is a “problem.”
Anonymous
08/07/2022 08:12
Subject: Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:As an Asian:
Excuse me?!?!?
When was any group's success a PROBLEM?
Surely no one wants too many people on food stamps? No ones wants increased taxes to go to a growing population of poors?
Isn't it great that everyone is self-sufficient and successful?
Mind-boggling.
Yes it IS great. The idea that white people hate Asians is dumb. It’s not true. Unless they happen to be racist white people who are maga then all bets are off.
Naive view. People may not "hate" Asians because, generally speaking, Asians don't cause problems - law abiding, minding their own business kinda people. Anti-Asian hate is really not about race, it's about sucess of Asians or lack thereof by others
Yes, it is about race.
White Americans don’t want other races to be more successful than them. They want to remain at the top, where the power is.
They are happy to open their lands to those they think will not move too far beyond taking care of their homes and lawns. If they come here and do the low paid work of a social worker or work in admin., all good.
But more than that, to a level that is equal to them or surpasses them? No. And that most definitely is about race.
As my African-American DD pointed out to me, think about the word "Race". The definition is " a competition between runners, horses, vehicles, boats, etc. As a verb the definition is "compete with another or others to see who is fastest at covering a set course or achieving an objective". The 5 races are white, black or African-American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander. It is not by accident that people are divided by the word "race". We are literally in a "Race" with each other. Whites have been leading the race. They are not going to concede easily to another race.
Anonymous
08/07/2022 07:37
Subject: Nyt: Asian American success isn’t a problem
Anonymous wrote:White kid do well? Nice! Black kid do well? Amazing!!! Asian kid do well? Probably the work of a tiger mom.
Pretty much sums up the AAP sub forum. If I hear “Prepped! Curie! Money! Only a unicorn didn’t prep!” one more
time..