^I understand the military program is only 60 credits but at least they have some work experience. Try working with someone straight out of college with no experience with children or education training and had never held any type of job. Real situations going on in the DMV in good schools.

Do you realize what is going on locally? This sounds like a great program. That need to find anyone willing to come into a classroom.

Where I work in VA at a local public school, they were giving almost anyone with a college degree of any kind a provisional certification. No education classes or experience with kids. It was horrible last year for the students, the people attempting to teach and for the others in the school trying to support them. No, most don’t return for a second year.

And don’t ask what type of qualifications you need to be a substitute. You would be really shocked.

Anonymous wrote:This is a fine proposal for fielding substitute teachers, para educators, aides, PE teachers, school security personnel, school secretaries, bus drivers, maybe even school nurses (trained medics would probably be qualified) etc., but it’s a very questionable solution for ensuring Florida’s children an adequate education if it applies to full time teaching of core subjects.

+1 we have such a low bar for teacher qualifications. And why the spouse? Yet another reason to not live in FL.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is the veteran or spouse of a veteran important?

Veteran preference is a common hiring practice in many fields. One, we owe them, and two, experience shows that military experience has been an excellent foundation for success in many occupations.

Disagree that we owe them and disagree that they have success in many occupations. I've found that vets are very regimented and don't have great creative thinking skills. As managers they were incredibly micromanaging, wanting people to sign in/sign out, provide lists of what you've done at the end of every day, etc.

I was just going to write the same.

Anonymous wrote:This is a fine proposal for fielding substitute teachers, para educators, aides, PE teachers, school security personnel, school secretaries, bus drivers, maybe even school nurses (trained medics would probably be qualified) etc., but it’s a very questionable solution for ensuring Florida’s children an adequate education if it applies to full time teaching of core subjects.

+1. The above makes sense. Otherwise, hell no. Would you want someone with these qualifications “teaching” your child Geometry? What about working with a child with expressive and receptive language difficulties?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is the veteran or spouse of a veteran important?

Veteran preference is a common hiring practice in many fields. One, we owe them, and two, experience shows that military experience has been an excellent foundation for success in many occupations.

Disagree that we owe them and disagree that they have success in many occupations. I've found that vets are very regimented and don't have great creative thinking skills. As managers they were incredibly micromanaging, wanting people to sign in/sign out, provide lists of what you've done at the end of every day, etc.

Welcome to what we have to go through in the federal government! I've had military repair men apply for engineering roles and make it to interviews. The other job applicants have masters degrees in things like chemical engineering.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is the veteran or spouse of a veteran important?

Veteran preference is a common hiring practice in many fields. One, we owe them, and two, experience shows that military experience has been an excellent foundation for success in many occupations.

And the spousal preference?

What makes you think your kids teacher now is any better? Do you know their GPA? Do you know that you can graduate collage with a 2.0?

Would you be ok with Bill Gates teaching a class? So far all these potential candidates have more college credits than he does.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is just one of a number of "pathway" programs out there for teachers. How else do you propose that states address the teacher shortage?

Paying teachers more.
Providing school supplies for students, so teachers don't have to pay out of their own pockets.
Outlaw assault weapons.

That's how you address the teacher shortage. We live in a capitalist country, people are going to go where they can make money. And be less likely to be shot.

This. Quite obviously. I find it truly insane that we have managed to demonize the education profession. Shame on us!

Sorry, accidentally deleted a few words ... They need to grasp the many reasons...

Look, I think teachers should have BAs if they are teaching a subject to a higher grade, but ES? I don't know that the BA is as necessary as other skills that military people tend to be indoctrinated with.

I've taught middle school and elementary school, everything from special ed to honors classes. You need an understanding of child development to be able to create and implement lessons that meet kids where they are. You need to know what skills they must have mastered before they can tackle other skills. You need to be able to teach kids to think critically to solve problems. They need to be able to determine for themselves whether they've written a sentence that communicates effectively, whether their answer to a math problem is logical or outrageous, whether the sentence they just read makes sense and why characters may act the way they do. They need to be able to develop their own scientific theories and understand what can happen when two substances mix. They grasp the many reasons for the Civil War and understand how our government works. It's so much more than just direct instruction of information, even when the content itself isn't challenging to the average adult.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why is the veteran or spouse of a veteran important?

Veteran preference is a common hiring practice in many fields. One, we owe them, and two, experience shows that military experience has been an excellent foundation for success in many occupations.

Uh only common if your customer is Fed govt.

Florida teachers??

Nearly all states have veterans preference provisions for public sector jobs, and many states are passing legislation that permits veterans preference in private sector employment as well. Ask any Fortune 500 hiring manager.

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a stepping stone to eliminating educational requirements for teachers in the state altogether.

Ding Ding Ding

DeSantis is going to privatize schools with Betsey DeVos the plan is already in place.

Virginia this is coming to you too.

Worst idea ever. Florida public schools are already sucky. I did my senior year of HS there moved to Florida there was not one class I needed to graduate not one.

DeSantis wants to be KING of the US and he just might be. And he will never leave if he is elected. Good luck people he is a Nazi and literally tried to kill his own wife so yeah not a good human. He just gave his side piece a white on white Range Rover so there is that with your taxpayer monies.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/education/2022/07/21/florida-education-program-military-veterans-teach/10117107002/

What a horrible disservice this is to children! Being in the military or simply being married to someone who was in the military does not qualify anyone to educate young people. They only need half of a degree, a low gpa, and a passing test score - Florida's children are doomed. This is the state's cheapest possible option to get warm bodies into classrooms - not educators. This is how little they care for the future.

Try reading the article. They aren't just putting veterans or their spouses in the classroom. The only opposition to this is of course coming from the teachers unions.

Effective July 1, 2022, Florida issues a 5-year Temporary Certificate for military veterans who have not yet earned their bachelor’s degrees and meet the following eligibility:

-Minimum of 48 months of military service with an honorable/medical discharge
-Minimum of 60 college credits with a 2.5 grade point average
-Passing score on a Florida subject area examination for bachelor’s level subjects
-Employment in a Florida school district, including charter schools

https://www.fldoe.org/teaching/certification/military/

DP. Why would any of this make me feel better about having my kids taught by someone who hasn’t even graduated from college?

And with a whopping 2.5 GPA no less!