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Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

Ever think that was the point of the violence? Get Pence out of the building, let Grassley handle it, and voila! coup d’etat!

Obviously that was the point. What was the role of the secret service?

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that this conversation is even happening is destabilizing in itself—whether or not there is any THERE there. Extremely concerning.

How bullies have always conducted business: commit crimes and don’t let anyone talk about it.

You don’t want people to notice your sedition, don’t commit sedition and acts supporting sedition.

Excuse you. I’m just an average civilian aghast at what is happening in this country, and I know enough about failed states to know that a sign of autocracy is the loss of an independent presidential protection service. It’s very bad that trust in the institution is eroding. We don’t want a situation where very new president is raising their own private police force. It may be too late. It might not be too late. Depends on what kind of public accountability happens—which I am fully in support of.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

Ever think that was the point of the violence? Get Pence out of the building, let Grassley handle it, and voila! coup d’etat!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

The point was...his concern was about the constitutional duties part...not the protection part.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is the counter-assault team, specifically.

Do you know what the counter-assault team does? What their job is? What they’re tasked with doing, if called upon? What their training regime is like? Read up on them. It’s not the type of job most people could/would do.


It takes a very particular kind of person to do what they might be called upon to do. It’s a super-alpha-male type of personality that is required, not just to do their specific task, but to even endure the ongoing training. The type of men (and the very, very few women) suited to the team or even capable of doing the job, are of a hyper aggressive, combative, competitive type personality.

They’re basically the attack dogs. Paid to repel (and die) any attack on the President and soak up casualties while the protective team gets the POTUS out of the area of the attack.
People who go to work everyday fully expecting to be engaged in a machinegun and rocket battle against terrorists. And expecting to get wounded or killed at work, if the scenario they train for daily ever happens. These guys aren’t normal. Therefore it’s absurd to apply normal values and mores to them.


As long as they’re fit for duty and report for their shifts, I cut them all the slack in the world for any trouble they get in in off duty hours.

What a load of crap. The president and VP does not trust the agents or the organization. These agents are unfit for duty because of their unprofessional behavior. Married agents whoring, using drugs, drinking, getting in fights at bars while on assignment, etc compromises the mission. Being shown video of yourself having sex with whores and being asked how your wife would like the video is professional? The rot is total. There is no way the current personnel employed and organization needs to be shut down. The US Army can provide protect services till the USSS is rebuilt from the ground up.

Again the current president does not trust the USSS, the former VP does not trust the USSS and the the USSS refused a direct order of a sitting President. The organization can not do its mission.

You don’t understand “the army” if you think most of the military is trained or capable of protecting POTUS.

There are maybe 400 personnel in the US Army who are capable of what the CAT does. And none of them are within 250 miles of here. And those folks are committed to other things right now.

Hahaha you have to love the keyboard warriors who think they know what the Army or USSS does daily. Same folks who hate on the police. First folks who call 9-1-1 on a dime and expect to be saved from every situation. Reading cherry-picked press reports about the USSS and forming opinions about the entirety of the organization is third grade stuff. Be better.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the counter-assault team, specifically.

Do you know what the counter-assault team does? What their job is? What they’re tasked with doing, if called upon? What their training regime is like? Read up on them. It’s not the type of job most people could/would do.


It takes a very particular kind of person to do what they might be called upon to do. It’s a super-alpha-male type of personality that is required, not just to do their specific task, but to even endure the ongoing training. The type of men (and the very, very few women) suited to the team or even capable of doing the job, are of a hyper aggressive, combative, competitive type personality.

They’re basically the attack dogs. Paid to repel (and die) any attack on the President and soak up casualties while the protective team gets the POTUS out of the area of the attack.
People who go to work everyday fully expecting to be engaged in a machinegun and rocket battle against terrorists. And expecting to get wounded or killed at work, if the scenario they train for daily ever happens. These guys aren’t normal. Therefore it’s absurd to apply normal values and mores to them.


As long as they’re fit for duty and report for their shifts, I cut them all the slack in the world for any trouble they get in in off duty hours.

Sorry, my tax dollars are not to support half humans half dogs. You have SO drank the kool aid that these guys drink to justify being above the law.

My dad was a firefighter. He went into FLAMES to save babies when he had babies at home. That is pretty hard core. But no one said he could flaunt laws or morales, nor did he.

You sound like you have watched Topgun (see Jack Nicholson's speech on the witness stand) one too many times.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

I thought Pence wouldn’t get in the car because he assumed the SS would take him far away from the Capitol building for his own protection—but he needed to stay there to complete his constitutional duties. But maybe I have misunderstood this. Anyone know?

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

Did it happen? And who will tell us? Under oath.

Anonymous wrote:That tidbit about how pence would not get into the car on Jan 6th really stood out to me as a mature reasonably informed person. I can't recall coverage of any similar incidents........lack of trust in a SS security detail by the person being protected.

Does that happen?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact that this conversation is even happening is destabilizing in itself—whether or not there is any THERE there. Extremely concerning.

How bullies have always conducted business: commit crimes and don’t let anyone talk about it.

You don’t want people to notice your sedition, don’t commit sedition and acts supporting sedition.

Anonymous wrote:This is the counter-assault team, specifically.

Do you know what the counter-assault team does? What their job is? What they’re tasked with doing, if called upon? What their training regime is like? Read up on them. It’s not the type of job most people could/would do.


It takes a very particular kind of person to do what they might be called upon to do. It’s a super-alpha-male type of personality that is required, not just to do their specific task, but to even endure the ongoing training. The type of men (and the very, very few women) suited to the team or even capable of doing the job, are of a hyper aggressive, combative, competitive type personality.

They’re basically the attack dogs. Paid to repel (and die) any attack on the President and soak up casualties while the protective team gets the POTUS out of the area of the attack.
People who go to work everyday fully expecting to be engaged in a machinegun and rocket battle against terrorists. And expecting to get wounded or killed at work, if the scenario they train for daily ever happens. These guys aren’t normal. Therefore it’s absurd to apply normal values and mores to them.


As long as they’re fit for duty and report for their shifts, I cut them all the slack in the world for any trouble they get in in off duty hours.