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Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10999721/amp/Woke-Oberlin-College-hit-4m-dragging-heels-paying-36m-family-run-bakery.html

They have to pay 4 million in interest for not paying the 36 million suit. Tried to post in a previous thread but it was locked. Wondering if this hurts grads employment prospects? Conservatives seem to have gone from not even knowing the school to absolutely hating it.

Have spent two months in Europe and I can tell you something similar has happened here. The only people who have heard about Oberlin think the school has gone all nuts.

I just spent four weeks in Europe with my Obie and her sibling. And 95%+ of the people there have never heard of Oberlin (or W&M where my older kid goes. Sad to say UVA boosters that the blank looks continued when she said it was an in state college like UVA. Europe doesn’t care about UVA either). They asked if DDs was in college. She said yes, Oberlin. Blank look. There was one younger guy who was excited about DD’s Oberlin t-shirt because a high school friend had attended. There was an American guy who gave her the thumbs up because his grandson is an Obie. And because of the nature of our activities, we did run into a few people who knew of the Conservatory. That’s it.

I guarantee you that Europeans do not care about 99% of colleges, including but not limited to W&M and Oberlin. Which is fine. My Obie is getting a first rate science education, working as a research assistant, getting published and networking with visiting profs. She doesn’t need Europeans to have heard of Oberlin. She needs PhD labs to know the name. Based on the fact 60% of her department gets a PhD and the list always includes big names and national awards like Fulbrights, she’ll be fine.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10999721/amp/Woke-Oberlin-College-hit-4m-dragging-heels-paying-36m-family-run-bakery.html

They have to pay 4 million in interest for not paying the 36 million suit. Tried to post in a previous thread but it was locked. Wondering if this hurts grads employment prospects? Conservatives seem to have gone from not even knowing the school to absolutely hating it.

Have spent two months in Europe and I can tell you something similar has happened here. The only people who have heard about Oberlin think the school has gone all nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think this and a string of other idiotic missteps by the college will not impact oberlin grada in the workforce. Even unconscious bias can impact hiring decisions.

The original incident was over 5 years ago and the verdict was three years ago. What evidence is there that this has harmed Oberlin graduates? No one is paying attention to it anymore other that RWNJ news sites.

The incident took place just after Trump was elected. So, fall 2015. We’re heading into seven years. The President and involved faculty were replaced. The student body has completely turned over— almost twice.

Some SLACs were in person during COVID but had student and teachers being pressured not to attend class (ahhmm Haverford and Bryn Mwar). Some had nasty protests. Some big name colleges (Michigan State, The Ohio State, Penn State some UCs) had serious sex abuse scandals. UNC was handing out degrees to athletes who did literally no academic work. Mitch Daniels is a loud and proud mysogenist at Purdue. Those kids you would hire.

But yes, an Oberlin protest 6-7 years ago is where you draw the line.

You don’t have to like Oberlin. The students aren’t applying to work for MAGA anyway. But, OP should honest about the fact that this “scandal” they trot out every couple of months is Faux News generated outrage way out of proportion in 2022. You know what else Oberlin did in the past? First college to racially integrate, first college to admit men one women on the same terms. Stop on the Underground Railroad. That’s their past as well.

Anonymous wrote:You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think this and a string of other idiotic missteps by the college will not impact oberlin grada in the workforce. Even unconscious bias can impact hiring decisions.

The original incident was over 5 years ago and the verdict was three years ago. What evidence is there that this has harmed Oberlin graduates? No one is paying attention to it anymore other that RWNJ news sites.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

Clearly you did not go to law school, because due process absolutely applies in civil matters.

You’re kidding yourself if you don’t think this and a string of other idiotic missteps by the college will not impact oberlin grada in the workforce. Even unconscious bias can impact hiring decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

Nope. Due process is what the government owes its citizens before depriving them of life or liberty. It shapes criminal procedures not when you settle a civil case or whether you appeal a case when you know you were in the wrong. https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/amendment-xiv/clauses/701

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

It’s called due process.

I'm equally sure that anyone still using the term "woke" has a conservative agenda.

+1. It's so funny how the right continue to chum the water by rehashing the Oberlin case, but didn't have one word to say about Liberty University's salacious scandal.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

Exhibit A of how people just want to get outraged about something they don't really know the details of, exaggeration and making a complex situation black-and-white because nuance is hard and boring. There were real First Amendment issues at play about holding institutions liable for the actions of others and finding that opinions (including statements like "X is racist"), constitute actionable defamation. I'm pretty sure that Oberlin has legal counsel and is consulting with them, and I'm equally sure that anyone still using the term "woke" has a conservative agenda.

Wow! What a non-answer.. I'm nowhere close to a conservative, have always voted Democrat and use the term "woke" when it is appropriate (and it is in several circumstances).

Anonymous wrote:What loving parent will send their daughter to college in Ohio with its six-week fetal heartbeat law?
How many young women think they might be just a little late?

Most have parents with deep pockets and Michigan is less than 2 hours away.

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Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

The school was wrong, refuses to pay, and practically put a hard working community family out of business - WTH kind of moral ground is that??

Exhibit A of how people just want to get outraged about something they don't really know the details of, exaggeration and making a complex situation black-and-white because nuance is hard and boring. There were real First Amendment issues at play about holding institutions liable for the actions of others and finding that opinions (including statements like "X is racist"), constitute actionable defamation. I'm pretty sure that Oberlin has legal counsel and is consulting with them, and I'm equally sure that anyone still using the term "woke" has a conservative agenda.

This is a misrepresentation of the case. The Court found that members of the Oberlin Administration used school resources to support the protests and boycott, and the college itself broke off a long-standing business relationship with the bakery in an attempt to put them out of business. The college not only retained and failed to discipline the administrator involved, when she recently left for a higher position at another university, they praised her as a “much loved” faculty member. Two owners of the bakery have died since the case began and the Oberlin Board continues to authorize appeals in a clear attempt to drag out the litigation to outlast the resources of the family. This is a university that is supposed to be teaching ethics to a younger generation?

+1 As an alum I am disgusted. This is not the college I attended.

Anonymous wrote:99 percent of the people opining on this have absolutely no idea what actually went down. (Much like the banh mi story that conservatives freaked out about, which turned out to be completely anodyne and unremarkable.) Oberlin is a very good school that produces some amazing graduates. The fact that the administration mishandled some aspects of the lawsuit isn't even newsworthy except to conservatives trying to cherry-pick examples of a preset narrative. It's not going to hurt employment prospects for grads, because most employers DO NOT CARE about stupid crap like this.

I am an Oberlin grad and you are not. And, your post is wrong.

Now PP is expert on hiring as well

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Anonymous wrote:It’s the crazed, spittle-spewing Obie booster. Pay that post no mind.

I'm not sure who you're referring to, but I'm not an Obie booster. I just know that the situation and the issues are more complicated that the "anti-woke" brigade make out.

DP. Ah, yes. Only *you* know the issues - anyone who disagrees with you clearly couldn’t possibly understand the issues and must be a conservative. Give it up, you sound utterly absurd. Oberlin was fully in the wrong here. Anyone intellectually honest would admit that.

DP. Not the one to whom you're responding.

The original post was about whether this suit might affect employment prospects for Oberlin grads. Not about whether Oberlin was in the wrong or not.

No, this suit isn't likely to affect grads' prospects with any employer who hires individuals based on their specific skills, educational achievements and potential for succeeding with the employer's company. Those things have nothing to do with events that took place before current students were even at the college. Any employer who would reject a candidate based on this suit is not an employer for which an Oberlin grad, or any other intelligent student, would want to work anyway.