Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 15:57     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Democrats have been given the chance of a lifetime to engage centrists who want reasonable, not murderous, abortion laws, and who want reasonable, not murderous, gun laws.

PLEASE USE IT. We need to keep the house and senate!!!




The governor of the state has asked the state to comply with the SCOTUS ruling.

What would you have him do??


Take a stand and sue as a state.

Or comply and in a press conference, excoriate the ruling and say he's opposed to it and only doing it under duress.


+1000

He really was not compelled to do this. It's all posturing for his preferred replacement. That's ok...she's not getting in.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 15:55     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is he doing this? We are complying with the constitution? I thought SCOTUS wanted states to decide these issues. How can Hogan do this unilaterally? I am already so scared about gun violence in this area.

https://wjla.com/news/local/maryland-gun-laws-md-state-police-governor-larry-hogan-permit-wear-carry-weapon-supreme-court-ruling-new-york-law-provisions-standards-handgun


Did you read your own link? No SCOTUS did not invite states to decide this issue.


Let’s be fair, understanding SCOTUS is confusing. States can’t restrict gun laws, but they can restrict health care for women.


Also, SCOTUS isn't creating legislation, it negated precedence, just like Roe. That in and of itself creates the implication of states' rights. There's no need to preempt what is already in place in a state unless it's challenged there. It hasn't been. He just decided to do it anyway. It's a brash political move and if I'm still alive in November by somehow not being shot, I will welcome a Dem governor, because there's no question that we will put only a Democrat in office here, now. Maryland isn't going down the toilet by Republicans. We have a lot of work to do.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 15:40     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Democrats have been given the chance of a lifetime to engage centrists who want reasonable, not murderous, abortion laws, and who want reasonable, not murderous, gun laws.

PLEASE USE IT. We need to keep the house and senate!!!




The governor of the state has asked the state to comply with the SCOTUS ruling.

What would you have him do??


Take a stand and sue as a state.

Or comply and in a press conference, excoriate the ruling and say he's opposed to it and only doing it under duress.


He can also put regulations in place to protect citizens like NY did.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 15:39     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:The Governor would have been personally liable for a s1983 suit for violation of civil rights if they had dragged their feet any longer on this. NJ and CA have already done the same thing, a week ago. Do you really think CA and NJ enjoyed having to reverse their policies?
This doesn't do anything more to let felons, the mentally ill, or anyone else get a wear and carry. It simply respects the recent decision that discretionary licensing regimes are no longer constitutional.
Maryland has one of the more robust permitting schemes already, with a 16 hr live fire class required, and the usual colonoscopy of one's background. People aren't getting carry permits to go commit crimes with them. Criminals dont even bother.


Many of the recent mass shooters had legal guns in very lax states
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 15:33     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Democrats have been given the chance of a lifetime to engage centrists who want reasonable, not murderous, abortion laws, and who want reasonable, not murderous, gun laws.

PLEASE USE IT. We need to keep the house and senate!!!




The governor of the state has asked the state to comply with the SCOTUS ruling.

What would you have him do??


Take a stand and sue as a state.

Or comply and in a press conference, excoriate the ruling and say he's opposed to it and only doing it under duress.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 15:23     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why is he doing this? We are complying with the constitution? I thought SCOTUS wanted states to decide these issues. How can Hogan do this unilaterally? I am already so scared about gun violence in this area.

https://wjla.com/news/local/maryland-gun-laws-md-state-police-governor-larry-hogan-permit-wear-carry-weapon-supreme-court-ruling-new-york-law-provisions-standards-handgun


I don’t know who “we” is, but the State of Maryland was not complying with the Constitution. Hogan merely saved the State the costs of civil rights actions that were already being drafted.

“Gun violence” is a fake buzzword. Guns are inanimate. They have no will of their own. They are not self-locomoting. We don’t hear about “baseball bat” or “kitchen scissors” or “deliberate motor vehicle crash” or “toilet tank cover” violence.

Call it what it is: criminal violence and punish the criminals instead of decent people.


Let’s call this what it is: an argument that is made purely in bad faith and ignores reality completely. There’s no point in debating with you when you are so far gone, and I hope no one engages with this for the 30 millionth time.

We’re past this now. People are getting mowed down in churches, malls, schools, Fourth of July parades. Rich, poor, this is everybody’s problem and we don’t have time to engage with nonsense like the above. Enough, let’s move on.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 15:21     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:Can I see a list of CCP requirements in MD?

He just invited the super majority Dems in the MD legislature to create all sorts of new requirements for the CCP license, like mental health screenings.


Thomas’s opinion anticipates such shenanigans.

As for the requirements, have you heard of the internet?

And CCP is the Chinese Communist Party. Maryland has a Permit to Wear and Carry a Handgun.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 15:19     Subject: Re:Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:I would respect Hogan more if he treated guns like cars. Require training, licensing, registering, and insuring guns for all gun owners and users.


Training is required to buy a pistol.

More training to get a wear and carry permit.

Maryland has dramatically tightened firearm registration requirements.

Homeowners insurance covers negligence; criminality is uninsurable.

I’d respect you way more if you paid the slightest iota of attention to what you’re talking about.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 15:16     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:Why is he doing this? We are complying with the constitution? I thought SCOTUS wanted states to decide these issues. How can Hogan do this unilaterally? I am already so scared about gun violence in this area.

https://wjla.com/news/local/maryland-gun-laws-md-state-police-governor-larry-hogan-permit-wear-carry-weapon-supreme-court-ruling-new-york-law-provisions-standards-handgun


I don’t know who “we” is, but the State of Maryland was not complying with the Constitution. Hogan merely saved the State the costs of civil rights actions that were already being drafted.

“Gun violence” is a fake buzzword. Guns are inanimate. They have no will of their own. They are not self-locomoting. We don’t hear about “baseball bat” or “kitchen scissors” or “deliberate motor vehicle crash” or “toilet tank cover” violence.

Call it what it is: criminal violence and punish the criminals instead of decent people.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 14:52     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
The Governor would have been personally liable for a s1983 suit for violation of civil rights if they had dragged their feet any longer on this. NJ and CA have already done the same thing, a week ago. Do you really think CA and NJ enjoyed having to reverse their policies?
This doesn't do anything more to let felons, the mentally ill, or anyone else get a wear and carry. It simply respects the recent decision that discretionary licensing regimes are no longer constitutional.
Maryland has one of the more robust permitting schemes already, with a 16 hr live fire class required, and the usual colonoscopy of one's background. People aren't getting carry permits to go commit crimes with them. Criminals dont even bother.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 13:57     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
I think this seems pretty aligned with SCOTUS’ ruling. I would highly recommend the podcast Advisory Opinions on the case to understand it more.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 13:54     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Can I see a list of CCP requirements in MD?

He just invited the super majority Dems in the MD legislature to create all sorts of new requirements for the CCP license, like mental health screenings.


So the state can spend a much of money losing before SCOTUS and creating even worse precedent for gun restriction laws? Great plan. With liberals like you, who needs conservatives


Oh, a mental health screening is a bridge-too-far for someone to carry a firearm in public?

Sorry, but the vast majority of Americans disagree with you.


Read again, more carefully this time.


I saw what was written. Better to keep the guns off the street then let people start carrying willy-nilly around MD. It takes a loooooooooong time for this stuff to get to the SC.


This has nothing to do with my opinion about what gun restrictions should exist and everything to do with the fact this SCOTUS is going to create precedent that undermines gun regulation. You don’t ask a SCOTUS you know disagrees with you to keep talking.


Actually, that is a totally reasonable tactic, I think. At the very least people will keep hearing about what SCOTUS says about guns, over and over again.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 13:53     Subject: Re:Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
I would respect Hogan more if he treated guns like cars. Require training, licensing, registering, and insuring guns for all gun owners and users.
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 13:50     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits
Anonymous wrote:
Democrats have been given the chance of a lifetime to engage centrists who want reasonable, not murderous, abortion laws, and who want reasonable, not murderous, gun laws.

PLEASE USE IT. We need to keep the house and senate!!!




The governor of the state has asked the state to comply with the SCOTUS ruling.

What would you have him do??
Anonymous
Post 07/05/2022 12:53     Subject: Hogan orders suspension of “good and substantial reason” for gun permits

Democrats have been given the chance of a lifetime to engage centrists who want reasonable, not murderous, abortion laws, and who want reasonable, not murderous, gun laws.

PLEASE USE IT. We need to keep the house and senate!!!