Anonymous wrote:

febegaj wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your private school kid has very low odds, OP. Last year there were fewer than 10 kids accepted from private schools. I’m not sure of this year’s number.

Is there a source for that?

DP. For the Class of 2025, there were 15 private school/homeschooled kids out of the 550 total students offered admission. The admission rate for public school kids was 18.6%. The admission rate for private/homeschooled kids was 10.2%. Of course, with the declining interest in TJ it is possible that the odds may have improved for both public and private school kids applying to the Class of 2026.

https://www.fcps.edu/news/tjhsst-offers-admission-550-students-broadens-access-students-who-have-aptitude-stem

Anonymous wrote:
They're saying that if a kid has, say, 860/900 points in the TJ application, that kid will have the same chances as a Longfellow or Carson kid with the same score. In that sense, B==C.

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febegaj wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

febegaj wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Your basic premise is flawed in saying the students are equal level performers. If they are performing equally with the students at the weaker school, then they are most likely not getting in.
Let's say there are 400 8th graders. Then both A & B are guaranteed six spots. However, after those 6, the remaining students would be competing in the open pool, which is what's left after every school get's their 1.5%.
School C would not have any guaranteed six spots and everyone would compete in the open pool. However, if C1 through C6 are as good as B6, then they will all be accepted, so they are not at a disadvantage compared to B(Longfellow). If the students are not that good, then they are in the open pool, same as B7-50, and again not a disadvantage.

I don't think it is flawed. I'm not saying the student in school A performs equally with the rest of the students in school A. E.g. you can imagine the exact same student, "cloned" across those 3 schools, and comparing the chances for each "cloned" student in each school.

Anonymous wrote:The students at C are not disadvantaged compared to B, but both B & C are disadvantaged compared to A.

Anonymous wrote:
Let's say there are 400 8th graders. Then both A & B are guaranteed six spots. However, after those 6, the remaining students would be competing in the open pool, which is what's left after every school get's their 1.5%.
School C would not have any guaranteed six spots and everyone would compete in the open pool. However, if C1 through C6 are as good as B6, then they will all be accepted, so they are not at a disadvantage compared to B(Longfellow). If the students are not that good, then they are in the open pool, same as B7-50, and again not a disadvantage.

So for concrete numbers, and to show if I understand correctly: suppose open pool is 50 spots. Then A offers 6 spots plus 50 from open pool, B has 6 spots plus 50 from open pool, and C has 50 from open pool.

Student in school A (which is in the same academic level as that in B and in C), has a chance to get one of the 6 spots by competing against 100 academically weaker students, therefore at an advantage.
Student in school B has the same numbers but competes against 100 stronger students, making claiming one of the 6 spots more difficult.
Student in school C has no pre-allocated spots at all, therefore can only compete against the open pool from all schools, so student C is the most disadvantaged student of all 3. So I guess what PP 06/23/2022 11:29 said is correct?

"Student in school B has the same numbers but competes against 100 stronger students, making claiming one of the 6 spots more difficult."
If the student in school B does not get one of these 6 spots, than he has not gotten an advantage over an equal(or any) student in school C.
If the student in school B gets one of these 6 spots, then the equal student in school C will get an at large spot.
There is no disadvantage to a private school vs a top public school.

So far I understand the consensus is that B>C. I don't understand what you mean with that sentence. If e.g. school B has 10 applicants, then 6 of them get the pre-allocated spots and the rest 4 can still compete against all students (including C) in the open pool. School C does not have this, so I don't see why B == C.

Anonymous wrote:

febegaj wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Your basic premise is flawed in saying the students are equal level performers. If they are performing equally with the students at the weaker school, then they are most likely not getting in.
Let's say there are 400 8th graders. Then both A & B are guaranteed six spots. However, after those 6, the remaining students would be competing in the open pool, which is what's left after every school get's their 1.5%.
School C would not have any guaranteed six spots and everyone would compete in the open pool. However, if C1 through C6 are as good as B6, then they will all be accepted, so they are not at a disadvantage compared to B(Longfellow). If the students are not that good, then they are in the open pool, same as B7-50, and again not a disadvantage.

I don't think it is flawed. I'm not saying the student in school A performs equally with the rest of the students in school A. E.g. you can imagine the exact same student, "cloned" across those 3 schools, and comparing the chances for each "cloned" student in each school.

Anonymous wrote:The students at C are not disadvantaged compared to B, but both B & C are disadvantaged compared to A.

Anonymous wrote:
Let's say there are 400 8th graders. Then both A & B are guaranteed six spots. However, after those 6, the remaining students would be competing in the open pool, which is what's left after every school get's their 1.5%.
School C would not have any guaranteed six spots and everyone would compete in the open pool. However, if C1 through C6 are as good as B6, then they will all be accepted, so they are not at a disadvantage compared to B(Longfellow). If the students are not that good, then they are in the open pool, same as B7-50, and again not a disadvantage.

So for concrete numbers, and to show if I understand correctly: suppose open pool is 50 spots. Then A offers 6 spots plus 50 from open pool, B has 6 spots plus 50 from open pool, and C has 50 from open pool.

Student in school A (which is in the same academic level as that in B and in C), has a chance to get one of the 6 spots by competing against 100 academically weaker students, therefore at an advantage.
Student in school B has the same numbers but competes against 100 stronger students, making claiming one of the 6 spots more difficult.
Student in school C has no pre-allocated spots at all, therefore can only compete against the open pool from all schools, so student C is the most disadvantaged student of all 3. So I guess what PP 06/23/2022 11:29 said is correct?

"Student in school B has the same numbers but competes against 100 stronger students, making claiming one of the 6 spots more difficult."
If the student in school B does not get one of these 6 spots, than he has not gotten an advantage over an equal(or any) student in school C.
If the student in school B gets one of these 6 spots, then the equal student in school C will get an at large spot.
There is no disadvantage to a private school vs a top public school.

febegaj wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Your basic premise is flawed in saying the students are equal level performers. If they are performing equally with the students at the weaker school, then they are most likely not getting in.
Let's say there are 400 8th graders. Then both A & B are guaranteed six spots. However, after those 6, the remaining students would be competing in the open pool, which is what's left after every school get's their 1.5%.
School C would not have any guaranteed six spots and everyone would compete in the open pool. However, if C1 through C6 are as good as B6, then they will all be accepted, so they are not at a disadvantage compared to B(Longfellow). If the students are not that good, then they are in the open pool, same as B7-50, and again not a disadvantage.

I don't think it is flawed. I'm not saying the student in school A performs equally with the rest of the students in school A. E.g. you can imagine the exact same student, "cloned" across those 3 schools, and comparing the chances for each "cloned" student in each school.

Anonymous wrote:The students at C are not disadvantaged compared to B, but both B & C are disadvantaged compared to A.

Anonymous wrote:
Let's say there are 400 8th graders. Then both A & B are guaranteed six spots. However, after those 6, the remaining students would be competing in the open pool, which is what's left after every school get's their 1.5%.
School C would not have any guaranteed six spots and everyone would compete in the open pool. However, if C1 through C6 are as good as B6, then they will all be accepted, so they are not at a disadvantage compared to B(Longfellow). If the students are not that good, then they are in the open pool, same as B7-50, and again not a disadvantage.

So for concrete numbers, and to show if I understand correctly: suppose open pool is 50 spots. Then A offers 6 spots plus 50 from open pool, B has 6 spots plus 50 from open pool, and C has 50 from open pool.

Student in school A (which is in the same academic level as that in B and in C), has a chance to get one of the 6 spots by competing against 100 academically weaker students, therefore at an advantage.
Student in school B has the same numbers but competes against 100 stronger students, making claiming one of the 6 spots more difficult.
Student in school C has no pre-allocated spots at all, therefore can only compete against the open pool from all schools, so student C is the most disadvantaged student of all 3. So I guess what PP 06/23/2022 11:29 said is correct?

febegaj wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your private school kid has very low odds, OP. Last year there were fewer than 10 kids accepted from private schools. I’m not sure of this year’s number.

Is there a source for that?

febegaj wrote:I see contradicting answers and I am still confused.
So suppose we have 3 middle schools, each with 100 students.
School A is FCPS "lower-performing", school B is FCPS "high-performing" and school C is private.
We have 3 students x,y,z from schools A,B and C respectively. All 3 students have the same academic level.
What are (roughly) the TJ admission odds for each student?

febegaj wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your private school kid has very low odds, OP. Last year there were fewer than 10 kids accepted from private schools. I’m not sure of this year’s number.

Is there a source for that?

febegaj wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your private school kid has very low odds, OP. Last year there were fewer than 10 kids accepted from private schools. I’m not sure of this year’s number.

Is there a source for that?

Anonymous wrote:Your private school kid has very low odds, OP. Last year there were fewer than 10 kids accepted from private schools. I’m not sure of this year’s number.