Anonymous
Post 06/19/2022 13:55     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Kids see color just like everyone else. They use it as an descriptor just like everyone else. Trying to teach them not to see it is pointless and unhelpful in growing tolerance. If you’re teaching about God, then explain its obvious that God sees color as so many exist. The point to remember is that God loves and appreciates all colors and everyone’s unique abilities. That all are made is God’s image.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2022 13:14     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Anonymous wrote:Everyone ISN'T the same though. If everyone were the same, then I, a white woman, would ALSO get followed around in a fancy clothing store instead of only the black women. If everything were the same I would ALSO get pulled over for driving yet doing nothing wrong.

If we don't see color, we can't see racism. If we can't see racism, how will we change it?


This. Yes, of course, everyone in equal and loved in God’s eyes but we don’t live in God’s eyes. We live in a racist country and everyone is not treated equally.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2022 12:51     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone ISN'T the same though. If everyone were the same, then I, a white woman, would ALSO get followed around in a fancy clothing store instead of only the black women. If everything were the same I would ALSO get pulled over for driving yet doing nothing wrong.

If we don't see color, we can't see racism. If we can't see racism, how will we change it?


White teens, especially rich white teens, also get followed around in a fancy clothing store, fwiw.

Do you see age? Or class? Or only race?



Fine, is there any reason for them to follow around a middle aged lady then of any race?


they follow a lot of people


I dated someone who worked loss prevention at a common mall anchor store. They are literally trained to follow the top 4 groups of people who cause the most theft: minorities in general, groups of teens - especially minorities, people wearing bulky clothing - especially minorities, and women with large bags - especially minorities. There's a common theme there. All LPs with that store had to sign NDAs not to talk about anything they learned there for 3 years after leaving or being fired or while employed, but clearly, they didn't care about that rule, ha.



And this is how stereotypes are created. Lower-income people are more likely to shoplift. That doesn't mean wealthy kids aren't doing it too. Just not in the same numbers.

In this nation, over our entire history, we have tied economic policy to work to the advantage of whites, and to the disadvantage of African Americans. So statistically speaking, African Americans are more likely than whites to be lower-income, and therefore more likely to engage in shoplifting. Not because of race, but because of socio-economic status. We don't see their income when they shoplift though. We see their race. And that's the association we make. If we could even out the economic disparities, people would lose these stereotypes.
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2022 12:39     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Anonymous wrote:Wow. I remember walking out of a public city library with my very young daughter, behind a black guy with a huge afro and my DD and I having this conversation:

DD: Look at that man's hair!
Me: Yup, it's beautiful!
DD: Do you think it's fluffy?
Me: Yup, but we don't touch.
DD: Just a little?
Me: Nope. We're white, so we never, EVER touch a black person's hair. They're allowed to hit us if we do.
DD: Why?
Me: Because black people's hair is sacred.
DD: What if they're sleeping?
Me: No. If they are your relative, THEN you can ask and IF they say yes, you can.

The guys in front of us were shaking with laughter, and when we got outside he thanked me for teaching her not to touch.

We've been talking about race since my kids were little. I'm trying to do better than my parents. My father never mentioned race, and my mother only told me never to marry anyone black because it'd make things harder for me, and life is already hard enough.

WTF, they are allowed to hit us?
Is this whole thread full of crazy trolls?
Anonymous
Post 06/19/2022 00:06     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone ISN'T the same though. If everyone were the same, then I, a white woman, would ALSO get followed around in a fancy clothing store instead of only the black women. If everything were the same I would ALSO get pulled over for driving yet doing nothing wrong.

If we don't see color, we can't see racism. If we can't see racism, how will we change it?


White teens, especially rich white teens, also get followed around in a fancy clothing store, fwiw.

Do you see age? Or class? Or only race?



Fine, is there any reason for them to follow around a middle aged lady then of any race?


they follow a lot of people


I dated someone who worked loss prevention at a common mall anchor store. They are literally trained to follow the top 4 groups of people who cause the most theft: minorities in general, groups of teens - especially minorities, people wearing bulky clothing - especially minorities, and women with large bags - especially minorities. There's a common theme there. All LPs with that store had to sign NDAs not to talk about anything they learned there for 3 years after leaving or being fired or while employed, but clearly, they didn't care about that rule, ha.


It's too bad that store didn't rely on actual empirical data about theft. Because all the data shows that "shoplifters were most commonly between the ages of 35 and 54." And men are more likely to steal than men. So while they are busy profiling the black teenage girl, the middle-aged white guy is robbing them blind.

https://news.ufl.edu/archive/2005/08/study-shows-shoplifters-more-readily-identified-by-behavior-not-race.html
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 09:06     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Sure, it's fine to share your views about how equal things will be in heaven. But why not try to achieve equality on Earth while we're at it? We don't have to pick and choose. (And I assure you that there are people playing God on Earth, taking matters into their own hands, who are violent racists. Maybe we should stop them?)
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 08:54     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone ISN'T the same though. If everyone were the same, then I, a white woman, would ALSO get followed around in a fancy clothing store instead of only the black women. If everything were the same I would ALSO get pulled over for driving yet doing nothing wrong.

If we don't see color, we can't see racism. If we can't see racism, how will we change it?


White teens, especially rich white teens, also get followed around in a fancy clothing store, fwiw.

Do you see age? Or class? Or only race?


Are you always obtuse and argumentative? I know you think you're making a point. But, that racism does not exist or exist on a meaningful scale, isn't one you're making.
Anonymous
Post 06/17/2022 08:08     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
We are atheist, so no, we don’t teach anything about God’s eyes.

We live in a urban very diverse area. There has always been a
mix of skin tones and a races visible to them in every day life.

We initially talked about skin color and race features from a scientific standpoint based on the region those races originated and why they developed particular characteristics. Just like how other animals of the same species can look different depending on their habitat/region

This conversation has evolved and matured over the years and now includes history of slavery, oppression, and the inequities between races- at times
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 19:54     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You're 41, and you don't know how to write?

Honestly, your entire post smacks of trolling because:
1. It's so badly written.
2. It's something you should have done years ago given your kids' ages.
3. For the Lord's sake, it's not ON God's eye.


DP. I don't know about trolling but when I post on DCUM to ask for advice, I use a different voice than my usual one. For privacy.


most of DCUM wouldn't put on a voice like that
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 19:15     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Wow. I remember walking out of a public city library with my very young daughter, behind a black guy with a huge afro and my DD and I having this conversation:

DD: Look at that man's hair!
Me: Yup, it's beautiful!
DD: Do you think it's fluffy?
Me: Yup, but we don't touch.
DD: Just a little?
Me: Nope. We're white, so we never, EVER touch a black person's hair. They're allowed to hit us if we do.
DD: Why?
Me: Because black people's hair is sacred.
DD: What if they're sleeping?
Me: No. If they are your relative, THEN you can ask and IF they say yes, you can.

The guys in front of us were shaking with laughter, and when we got outside he thanked me for teaching her not to touch.

We've been talking about race since my kids were little. I'm trying to do better than my parents. My father never mentioned race, and my mother only told me never to marry anyone black because it'd make things harder for me, and life is already hard enough.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 19:09     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Everyone ISN'T the same though. If everyone were the same, then I, a white woman, would ALSO get followed around in a fancy clothing store instead of only the black women. If everything were the same I would ALSO get pulled over for driving yet doing nothing wrong.

If we don't see color, we can't see racism. If we can't see racism, how will we change it?


White teens, especially rich white teens, also get followed around in a fancy clothing store, fwiw.

Do you see age? Or class? Or only race?



Fine, is there any reason for them to follow around a middle aged lady then of any race?


they follow a lot of people


I dated someone who worked loss prevention at a common mall anchor store. They are literally trained to follow the top 4 groups of people who cause the most theft: minorities in general, groups of teens - especially minorities, people wearing bulky clothing - especially minorities, and women with large bags - especially minorities. There's a common theme there. All LPs with that store had to sign NDAs not to talk about anything they learned there for 3 years after leaving or being fired or while employed, but clearly, they didn't care about that rule, ha.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 18:59     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Anonymous wrote:You're 41, and you don't know how to write?

Honestly, your entire post smacks of trolling because:
1. It's so badly written.
2. It's something you should have done years ago given your kids' ages.
3. For the Lord's sake, it's not ON God's eye.


DP. I don't know about trolling but when I post on DCUM to ask for advice, I use a different voice than my usual one. For privacy.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 18:57     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
You're 41, and you don't know how to write?

Honestly, your entire post smacks of trolling because:
1. It's so badly written.
2. It's something you should have done years ago given your kids' ages.
3. For the Lord's sake, it's not ON God's eye.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 18:56     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing a 14 year old would have noticed color literally and what it means in history and society by now.

Try to make it clear that you value every person regardless of color but also acknowledge reality.



IMO the reason she thinking differently than me is because of the mother, I taught her well, but she now has different views than I do, and not sure if they are from the mother or social media. They might not teach CRT in school, but the kids talk about thinks that they shouldn't talk about


I think its important to be able to talk about race relations and history. If you are just teaching her "god sees everyone the same" you're not teaching her what she needs to know to navigate our world. For starters talking about race makes people scared to make a misstake and be seen as racists. Talk to her about that, ask her opinions, have a dialogue. Learn some history yourself and discuss with her what you think this history means and what it doesn't mean. Start by watching this video created by the maker of Veggie Tales. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGUwcs9qJXY and a follow-up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-yun74BJEc


Gee, I wonder why...
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 18:55     Subject: best to teach about color or everyone the same on God Eye's
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm guessing a 14 year old would have noticed color literally and what it means in history and society by now.

Try to make it clear that you value every person regardless of color but also acknowledge reality.



IMO the reason she thinking differently than me is because of the mother, I taught her well, but she now has different views than I do, and not sure if they are from the mother or social media. They might not teach CRT in school, but the kids talk about thinks that they shouldn't talk about


I think its important to be able to talk about race relations and history. If you are just teaching her "god sees everyone the same" you're not teaching her what she needs to know to navigate our world. For starters talking about race makes people scared to make a misstake and be seen as racists. Talk to her about that, ask her opinions, have a dialogue. Learn some history yourself and discuss with her what you think this history means and what it doesn't mean. Start by watching this video created by the maker of Veggie Tales. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGUwcs9qJXY and a follow-up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-yun74BJEc