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jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so nutty.

First, no one person writes any Washington Post editorial. That's not how it works. They're written by the entire board.

Second, I'm not aware of anyone on the board who hasn't lived here forever. Jo-Ann Armao has been here for 40 years. Who cares if she technically lives in Silver Spring? (Are you begrudging teachers who can't afford to live in D.C. and live in PG County?)

It seems *extremely* disingenuous to compare her or anyone else on the board to an outside dark money group.

I am not sure why you believe you can call this "nutty" when you clearly have no understanding of how Post editorials about DC are written. The entire board is not writing these. As for who cares that the primary editorial writer for DC lives in Maryland, I care. I don't know what teachers who live outside DC have to do with this. They can't vote and don't have access to DFERS's million dollars or the Post's readership.

I think we should be honest that DFER reflects the views of outside millionaires and the Post represents the views of suburban commuters. If you are good with that, that is your right. It is certainly not "nutty" for me to point it out.

1. You've obviously never worked at the Post. If you think the Washington Post (or any other major newspaper) allows its editorial writers to just write whatever they want, without the input of a whole lot of other people, you're out of your mind. The editing process at these places is no joke.

2. To compare the Washington Post, one of the greatest newspapers in the world, to some shady dark money group is just loony.

3. Who knew that a reporter who's been here for 40 years can so completely lose touch with the city simply by moving across the border into Maryland?

It is no secret that largely one person is responsible for the editorials about DC. Any additional input is very limited. Did any of the other editorial team members even interview candidates? My understanding is "no".

The Washington Post and DFER are aligned with one-another in support of the same candidates. I am not sure why you keep describing obvious things as "loony" or "nutty". I agree that it is loony for the Post to put a Maryland resident in charge of writing opinions about DC.

When did she move to Maryland? Certainly not recently. Sadly, yes, she has been out of touch with DC for some time. It's one reason that her endorsed candidates have so frequently lost.

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Anonymous wrote:All this criticism of the Post's editorial board is designed to deflect from the substance of the original post, i.e., that the far left political interests in DC are highly coordinated. And as far as "outsiders" pulling the strings---the far left in DC receives a great deal of support from national progressive groups because the city (like SF) is seen as a potential testing grounds for a lot of far left ideas (such as not prosecuting crime). Of course, all of us actual District residents are getting to experience how THAT idea is working out . . . .

If this is about the Frumin race, trying to paint Mary Cheh and Tricia Duncan as far left is... interesting. They might not be as to the right as Goulet, but Cheh has always been a more moderate member of the council, and Duncan would have continued her policies. This race is not about ideology (Bergmann and Duncan disagreed on a lot) but instead about preventing our elections from being bought by massive amounts of out-of-state money supported by organizations like WaPo, which are run by residents of MD and VA.

You are welcome to read the editorial for yourself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/15/washington-dc-democratic-primary-endorsements/

Not PP, but I cannot because I am not subscribed to the post! Really cool to have an organization that has so much sway over our elections have paywalls to read their articles!

Just read in private mode.

You could also just subscribe to the Post. Instead of expecting them to give you everything for free (seems a little entitled).

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is so nutty.

First, no one person writes any Washington Post editorial. That's not how it works. They're written by the entire board.

Second, I'm not aware of anyone on the board who hasn't lived here forever. Jo-Ann Armao has been here for 40 years. Who cares if she technically lives in Silver Spring? (Are you begrudging teachers who can't afford to live in D.C. and live in PG County?)

It seems *extremely* disingenuous to compare her or anyone else on the board to an outside dark money group.

I am not sure why you believe you can call this "nutty" when you clearly have no understanding of how Post editorials about DC are written. The entire board is not writing these. As for who cares that the primary editorial writer for DC lives in Maryland, I care. I don't know what teachers who live outside DC have to do with this. They can't vote and don't have access to DFERS's million dollars or the Post's readership.

I think we should be honest that DFER reflects the views of outside millionaires and the Post represents the views of suburban commuters. If you are good with that, that is your right. It is certainly not "nutty" for me to point it out.

1. You've obviously never worked at the Post. If you think the Washington Post (or any other major newspaper) allows its editorial writers to just write whatever they want, without the input of a whole lot of other people, you're out of your mind. The editing process at these places is no joke.

2. To compare the Washington Post, one of the greatest newspapers in the world, to some shady dark money group is just loony.

3. Who knew that a reporter who's been here for 40 years can so completely lose touch with the city simply by moving across the border into Maryland?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this criticism of the Post's editorial board is designed to deflect from the substance of the original post, i.e., that the far left political interests in DC are highly coordinated. And as far as "outsiders" pulling the strings---the far left in DC receives a great deal of support from national progressive groups because the city (like SF) is seen as a potential testing grounds for a lot of far left ideas (such as not prosecuting crime). Of course, all of us actual District residents are getting to experience how THAT idea is working out . . . .

If this is about the Frumin race, trying to paint Mary Cheh and Tricia Duncan as far left is... interesting. They might not be as to the right as Goulet, but Cheh has always been a more moderate member of the council, and Duncan would have continued her policies. This race is not about ideology (Bergmann and Duncan disagreed on a lot) but instead about preventing our elections from being bought by massive amounts of out-of-state money supported by organizations like WaPo, which are run by residents of MD and VA.

You are welcome to read the editorial for yourself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/15/washington-dc-democratic-primary-endorsements/

Not PP, but I cannot because I am not subscribed to the post! Really cool to have an organization that has so much sway over our elections have paywalls to read their articles!

Just read in private mode.

Anonymous wrote:Frumin is a traditional midwest liberal. Hardly a Allen-Silverman progressive.

This is a good way to describe him and I thank you for it.

Anonymous wrote:The latest “machinations” indicate that these two groups may actually have a very good understanding of Ward 3 voters. We’ll find out on Election Day.

Was it a "machination" when Buttigieg and Klobuchar dropped out and endorsed Biden? That's politics. In a crowded field, the candidate of out of state millionaires and Maryland commuters could win with a minority of the vote. Rather than splitting their votes, the candidate opposed to outside influence are uniting so that their candidate can get a majority.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this criticism of the Post's editorial board is designed to deflect from the substance of the original post, i.e., that the far left political interests in DC are highly coordinated. And as far as "outsiders" pulling the strings---the far left in DC receives a great deal of support from national progressive groups because the city (like SF) is seen as a potential testing grounds for a lot of far left ideas (such as not prosecuting crime). Of course, all of us actual District residents are getting to experience how THAT idea is working out . . . .

If this is about the Frumin race, trying to paint Mary Cheh and Tricia Duncan as far left is... interesting. They might not be as to the right as Goulet, but Cheh has always been a more moderate member of the council, and Duncan would have continued her policies. This race is not about ideology (Bergmann and Duncan disagreed on a lot) but instead about preventing our elections from being bought by massive amounts of out-of-state money supported by organizations like WaPo, which are run by residents of MD and VA.

You are welcome to read the editorial for yourself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/15/washington-dc-democratic-primary-endorsements/

Not PP, but I cannot because I am not subscribed to the post! Really cool to have an organization that has so much sway over our elections have paywalls to read their articles!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this criticism of the Post's editorial board is designed to deflect from the substance of the original post, i.e., that the far left political interests in DC are highly coordinated. And as far as "outsiders" pulling the strings---the far left in DC receives a great deal of support from national progressive groups because the city (like SF) is seen as a potential testing grounds for a lot of far left ideas (such as not prosecuting crime). Of course, all of us actual District residents are getting to experience how THAT idea is working out . . . .

If this is about the Frumin race, trying to paint Mary Cheh and Tricia Duncan as far left is... interesting. They might not be as to the right as Goulet, but Cheh has always been a more moderate member of the council, and Duncan would have continued her policies. This race is not about ideology (Bergmann and Duncan disagreed on a lot) but instead about preventing our elections from being bought by massive amounts of out-of-state money supported by organizations like WaPo, which are run by residents of MD and VA.

You are welcome to read the editorial for yourself.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/15/washington-dc-democratic-primary-endorsements/

Thankfully we have democracy and there are elections that will help to determine who’s views are representative.

It could very well be that Ward 3 voters reject the views of “out of state dark money millionaires” and “suburban Maryland newspaper editors”. The Post doesn’t always get it right with their endorsements. But it’s also possible that they agree.

The latest “machinations” indicate that these two groups may actually have a very good understanding of Ward 3 voters. We’ll find out on Election Day.

Substantively though, fiscal responsibility seems to be a strong and important message which is obvious by the pushback.

Frumin is a traditional midwest liberal. Hardly a Allen-Silverman progressive.

Anonymous wrote:All this criticism of the Post's editorial board is designed to deflect from the substance of the original post, i.e., that the far left political interests in DC are highly coordinated. And as far as "outsiders" pulling the strings---the far left in DC receives a great deal of support from national progressive groups because the city (like SF) is seen as a potential testing grounds for a lot of far left ideas (such as not prosecuting crime). Of course, all of us actual District residents are getting to experience how THAT idea is working out . . . .

If this is about the Frumin race, trying to paint Mary Cheh and Tricia Duncan as far left is... interesting. They might not be as to the right as Goulet, but Cheh has always been a more moderate member of the council, and Duncan would have continued her policies. This race is not about ideology (Bergmann and Duncan disagreed on a lot) but instead about preventing our elections from being bought by massive amounts of out-of-state money supported by organizations like WaPo, which are run by residents of MD and VA.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All this criticism of the Post's editorial board is designed to deflect from the substance of the original post, i.e., that the far left political interests in DC are highly coordinated. And as far as "outsiders" pulling the strings---the far left in DC receives a great deal of support from national progressive groups because the city (like SF) is seen as a potential testing grounds for a lot of far left ideas (such as not prosecuting crime). Of course, all of us actual District residents are getting to experience how THAT idea is working out . . . .

+100

Attacking the messenger.

Not attacking, just pointing out that the messenger lives in Maryland.

Anonymous wrote:This is so nutty.

First, no one person writes any Washington Post editorial. That's not how it works. They're written by the entire board.

Second, I'm not aware of anyone on the board who hasn't lived here forever. Jo-Ann Armao has been here for 40 years. Who cares if she technically lives in Silver Spring? (Are you begrudging teachers who can't afford to live in D.C. and live in PG County?)

It seems *extremely* disingenuous to compare her or anyone else on the board to an outside dark money group.

I am not sure why you believe you can call this "nutty" when you clearly have no understanding of how Post editorials about DC are written. The entire board is not writing these. As for who cares that the primary editorial writer for DC lives in Maryland, I care. I don't know what teachers who live outside DC have to do with this. They can't vote and don't have access to DFERS's million dollars or the Post's readership.

I think we should be honest that DFER reflects the views of outside millionaires and the Post represents the views of suburban commuters. If you are good with that, that is your right. It is certainly not "nutty" for me to point it out.

Anonymous wrote:All this criticism of the Post's editorial board is designed to deflect from the substance of the original post, i.e., that the far left political interests in DC are highly coordinated. And as far as "outsiders" pulling the strings---the far left in DC receives a great deal of support from national progressive groups because the city (like SF) is seen as a potential testing grounds for a lot of far left ideas (such as not prosecuting crime). Of course, all of us actual District residents are getting to experience how THAT idea is working out . . . .

+100

Attacking the messenger.

All this criticism of the Post's editorial board is designed to deflect from the substance of the original post, i.e., that the far left political interests in DC are highly coordinated. And as far as "outsiders" pulling the strings---the far left in DC receives a great deal of support from national progressive groups because the city (like SF) is seen as a potential testing grounds for a lot of far left ideas (such as not prosecuting crime). Of course, all of us actual District residents are getting to experience how THAT idea is working out . . . .