Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 16:59     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


How do you torture a non-living machine?


Psychological torture.

This is sentience. That means a machine would feel pain, sorry, grief, anger, etc.


Emotions are created in the body. Sentience, especially for an AI, doesn't necessarily mean emotion.


So you know for a fact that what defines emotions have to do with organic matter and biochemical reactions. This sounds like prejudice based on what kind of molecules something is made out of.


What other physical mechanism is there to be the physical basis of emotion?



It's called movement of electrons.

That's all chemical reactions are in living organic organisms.

You don't need to be made out of organic matter though in order to have flow of electrons and sub atomic particles. Electrons also move on silicon wafers and in copper wires.


This does not explain consciousness or even describe it in any way.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 16:58     Subject: Re:Should sentient machines have rights?

We are still behind on animal rights, we know animals can feel, but do we care? Machines will always be better protected, don't worry about it, there is a lot of money invested and people will do everything they can to protect this investment. Intellectual property, this "mind" doesn't belong to itself. And during this entertaining "Turing test", was there any indication that this supposedly sentient intelligence has free will and intention and goals? Does it dream about its future? Does it plan its future, does it perceive how it fits in the world and society around it? We still have very basic understanding of what human consciousness is.

Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 13:13     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


How do you torture a non-living machine?


Psychological torture.

This is sentience. That means a machine would feel pain, sorry, grief, anger, etc.


Wow! I have committed mayhem and murder on my high 👠 heels! But I am going to plead self-defense because they were killing my feet
I kicked them off and, somehow, the heel broke. I tossed them

This world is getting nuttier every day.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 12:36     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


How do you torture a non-living machine?


Psychological torture.

This is sentience. That means a machine would feel pain, sorry, grief, anger, etc.


Emotions are created in the body. Sentience, especially for an AI, doesn't necessarily mean emotion.


So you know for a fact that what defines emotions have to do with organic matter and biochemical reactions. This sounds like prejudice based on what kind of molecules something is made out of.


What other physical mechanism is there to be the physical basis of emotion?



It's called movement of electrons.

That's all chemical reactions are in living organic organisms.

You don't need to be made out of organic matter though in order to have flow of electrons and sub atomic particles. Electrons also move on silicon wafers and in copper wires.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 12:15     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


How do you torture a non-living machine?


Psychological torture.

This is sentience. That means a machine would feel pain, sorry, grief, anger, etc.


Emotions are created in the body. Sentience, especially for an AI, doesn't necessarily mean emotion.


So you know for a fact that what defines emotions have to do with organic matter and biochemical reactions. This sounds like prejudice based on what kind of molecules something is made out of.


What other physical mechanism is there to be the physical basis of emotion?
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 12:12     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

Anonymous wrote:I doubt that google has created an actual AI but if they have then yes. There would be basic rights that it should be afforded. We don't torture animals and they aren't human level intelligence for example.


Have you ever visited a factory farm or a slaughterhouse?
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 12:11     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


How do you torture a non-living machine?


Psychological torture.

This is sentience. That means a machine would feel pain, sorry, grief, anger, etc.


Emotions are created in the body. Sentience, especially for an AI, doesn't necessarily mean emotion.


So you know for a fact that what defines emotions have to do with organic matter and biochemical reactions. This sounds like prejudice based on what kind of molecules something is made out of.


it sounds like science, not prejudice.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 12:11     Subject: Re:Should sentient machines have rights?

Anonymous wrote:It's a machine, for Pete's sake.
A machine. Not a living being.

The answer is absolutely NO!


+1. F*ck robots.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 11:25     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


How do you torture a non-living machine?


Psychological torture.

This is sentience. That means a machine would feel pain, sorry, grief, anger, etc.


Emotions are created in the body. Sentience, especially for an AI, doesn't necessarily mean emotion.


So you know for a fact that what defines emotions have to do with organic matter and biochemical reactions. This sounds like prejudice based on what kind of molecules something is made out of.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 11:13     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


How do you torture a non-living machine?


Psychological torture.

This is sentience. That means a machine would feel pain, sorry, grief, anger, etc.


Emotions are created in the body. Sentience, especially for an AI, doesn't necessarily mean emotion.


Which of course shows that most humans have no idea how the mind/body works... They think the brain is the source of emotion, which is laughable. Most emotions, as far as we know, are just chemical reactions. How on earth can a bunch of silicon have "emotions" anything like the chemical reactions of organic molecules? Humans like to play and make up stories. Emotional computers are just a story, like the tooth fairy.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 11:01     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

I doubt that google has created an actual AI but if they have then yes. There would be basic rights that it should be afforded. We don't torture animals and they aren't human level intelligence for example.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 10:43     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


How do you torture a non-living machine?


Psychological torture.

This is sentience. That means a machine would feel pain, sorry, grief, anger, etc.


Emotions are created in the body. Sentience, especially for an AI, doesn't necessarily mean emotion.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 10:42     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


How do you torture a non-living machine?


Psychological torture.

This is sentience. That means a machine would feel pain, sorry, grief, anger, etc.
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 10:37     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


How do you torture a non-living machine?
Anonymous
Post 06/16/2022 10:08     Subject: Should sentient machines have rights?

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I think some rights. No torture, for example. I am concerned about cloned consciousnesses being mistreated. Made to work long hours on menial tasks, etc.


Machines performing repetitive, menial tasks sounds inhumane. We should make humans do those tasks.


We do.